WordWolf

"TW:LiL" gives an interesting quote on page 14 about some WOWs. WOWs assigned to headquarters was not common when I was around. Anyway, on to the next quote. page 29, we get our first description of "the class".

I finally got curious enough to dust off my copy of "the Way: Living in Love" by Whiteside and read it thru. There's some interesting stuff in there. I find that many warning signs are telegraphed there and so on. ======== For those of you who've never heard of it, it's a book published in 1972. It was written BY a twi insider about twi and life as an insider, at the beginning of the 1970s, and published by twi. As such, any reasonable person would consider it a lengthy commercial. No dissent from twi would have been PERMITTED to have been published, and no dissent would have been CONSIDERED by an innie. The perspective of the writer reflects the thinking of insiders at the time-not a fair and objective reporting of the facts. It includes many quotes from people-especially vpw. For all intents and purposes, it should be evident that the quotes from him IN the book are officially endorsed BY him as accurate. I'd like to post some of the quotes, and discuss where they relate to each other, the facts as currently known, and other comments made by vpw. ============== Please feel free to post quotes directly FROM vpw from other sources, as well as quotes from the Mrs W book.

I always heard it as "take that girl", too. In fact, the first time I looked it up, I was surprised the line wasn't "Do I take that girl?" Strange dream indeed..... ====== Ok, next song. Remember, the TITLE and the artist, not just the artist. The younger folks should have an edge on this one... "But there are several other very important differences between human beings and animals that you should know about. I'd appreciate your input." "Yes I'm Siskel, yes I'm Ebert and you're getting two thumbs up."

I USED to say "I was glad I got in, and glad I got out." However, I've seen what damage was wrought by them in God's name. I've seen the complete twisting of people's minds to the point that they're 180-degrees removed from Godly action, and claim they're doing the right thing. In short, the shrill screaming of "how dare you complain it was less than perfect" has convinced me that there was a lot MORE damage-much of it psychological and PERMANENT-than I previously thought.

The second one was popular enough-I was listening to it on the radio approximately 24 hours ago.... Apparently, there's been some covers of this song (Michael Hutchence of INXS in "Barb Wire"????) and some disagreement over some of the lyrics (like the muttered side-comments) and whether it's "take that pearl" or "dig that girl" or something else. But everyone seems to agree that this song isn't called "Hall of the Mountain King", it's "Spill the Wine", and the version I heard was either by "War", or Eric Burdon of "the Animals" fame. Me, I STILL can't make out all the lyrics, and I tried again yesterday. :)-->

Allan, was it your intention to unite all the posters by having them all agree that you're an idiot? You're looking like the kind of guy who gets hate-mail from the Amish.

Characteristic, Allan. I can't tell if this post was mostly offensive, mostly careless or mostly ignorant. Probably all of the above. In Proverbs, it says that even a fool appears wise when he shuts up. You might consider appearing wise for a few days. You probably WON'T, but you might consider it.

Correct, of course. As you may have noticed, I deliberately picked lines NOT from the book. The first one was from the character nicknamed "Bem" by some fans ("Black Enigmatic Man"). He just showed up out of nowhere and got a bunch of lines. One joke was that Bem was the HBP and wouldn't WE all be surprised? So, your turn.

Yes, and we STILL don't know where it is now. "You'll pay for this! You and your bloody chicken!"

"WordWolf" came back 50/50, which, I think, won't surprise some of the people around here.

New movie, then.... "It's like trying to catch smoke. It's like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands."

Oh, right. We spent a week on this. It's UHF.

Well, that THEY'RE teaching it IS new to you and me, but for all I know, they may have been teaching it for years.

Oakspear, I believe you're right on the money. I shouldn't have gotten defensive with my SIT beliefs. I am actually open to hearing more. Of course, along with the info. Goey provided I also am examining JE Stiles and BG Leonard books, folks that don't have the same negative baggage as VP. Practically the same stuff but just in case some get turned off by VP... Anyway, this thread is helping me re-examine my beliefs, which is a good thing. :)--> Great! Let us know what you find!

Forgive us if not everyone just believes you on that.

You were answered already. In this thread alone, there's multiple postson pages 6 & 7. It doesn't endear you to others to keep asking the same questions over and over IF THEY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. That means either A) You disrespect the posters and their posts when they DO answer B) You are unable AND unwilling to understand "what is written". This can be overcome with effort-you are not undertaking that effort. C) You disbelieve the posts-thus calling the posters liars. It surprises you that you people don't play your game? They can read his posts NOW and find out EXACTLY what he believes, as can you. They just can't label them BEFORE reading. This means they have to THINK FOR THEMSELVES. This is not exactly polite discourse. You've been told several times that the proper term is "wiccan", and the terms "wiccan" and "witch" are not synonymous-some people are one OR the other, but not BOTH. Even stated wiccans (who did EXACTLY what you asked) are STILL not answering "good enough" for you-you're claiming they "don't want it known" although they presented their label. You responded to that label by insulting them further- demonstrating you lack the maturity to use labels properly. That having been said, why SHOULD anyone cooperate with you? Sometimes people cooperate with me out of politeness, sometimes because I've earned their respect. You've strained politeness, and earned little respect from anyone except vpw apologists. See why some people cooperate with ME and not YOU? (I also ask a lot less.) I just wonder what else (some) of you are 'hiding' ??

Oakspear responded to "..but the Ford never explained Henry" by saying Bravo, Oakspear.

You know, I knew a guy who had one of those. He was a self-proclaimed psychic. Like vpw, he'd lost the use of one eye. So he, you know, had a glass eye. And a crystal ball. He seemed to think one compensated for the other.

Yes its typically a subtractive process. They subtract and remove the "problem" teachings and reshuffle the remaining ideas "to fit" thereby achieving the proverbial "mathematical exactness and scientific precision" of which "doctor" spoke. Now exactly what teachings they remove or how they reorganize things to "fit" is not known and is most likely a process driven by emotion as opposed to logic or even some "working the word" process. So its like "hey that law of believeing didn't really work as advertised but instead of holding VPW responsible for it we'll just 'throw it out' or at least the sections we don't understand and start over. Isn't god wonderful ?". Now they won't admit that VPW had it all wrong or examine other teachings of his (well what he claimed to be his anyway). They just float VP a pass and knit up the gaping holes in the teaching with some emotional BS to make it sound okay to themselves and others. And of course these people expect others to readily accept this repackaged "lean and mean" truth as if it were what "Doctor really meant for us to have". Its an illness in my opinion. Using TWI as a sole source for everything and not being able to detach from it even when much of what TWI taught still did not result in the "abundant life". Reminds me of II Corinthians 10:12. "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they, measuring themselves by themselves, and, comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."

OTHER questions? No, but you'll want to keep quoting this answer when this SAME question keeps coming up over....and over....and over....

Will someone signal me if Irisheyes is still interested in this question when Mike is done? I haven't posted my say on this in a while, and it will be interesting to review it and see if I view things any differently.

I think we did this one already.

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Indiana Jones + Mr Heatmiser + "wax on, wax off" + "duh" plus Van Gogh's "Starry Night". Indy + Heat + Off + Duh + Night "In the Heat of the Night". :)-->

Lies too and traffic jams! and IRS audits! and mimes!