WordWolf

Actually, the song is considered funny, and the video even funnier.

pg-176, vpw continues his tale: Hm. They told him he could do anything EXCEPT ONE, and that was his immediate UNYIELDING focus, and they had the nerve to be offended that he went 180 degrees from his instructions. (ANY church where tithing is taught on for an ENTIRE MONTH looks like it's ONLY in it for the money, and NOBODY will like it.) "They said not to teach on money, so I didn't-I taught on tithing." I'll bet he felt so clever, so pleased with himself for adhering-PARTLY- to the letter while perverting the spirit of his instructions. For those wondering if they were right to give him instructions, they were the ELDERS-the experienced local leaders, and he was the guy who JUST arrived and was young and lacking in experience. Unless he had a compelling reason beyond tweaking their noses, he should have considered their counsel wise and followed it. Convenient coincidence that what served God just happened to be the easy path for him. pg-177, he meets Rosalind Rinker in Indiana. (page-178, since "Nothing cataclysmic...") Watch this next quote from pg-179. pg-180. pg-181. pg-185-186. vpw is continuing his tour.

pg-173, more of vpw's life... Yet another thing vpw supposedly excelled at, which we NEVER saw any evidence of. We know he was obsessed with music-his ministries all seemed to circle around it-until he got ahold of Leonard's work. pg-174. Harry thinks you were preaching to the trees when you went off for hours and neglected your chores. Since you had no plans to go into the ministry at the time, it's obvious you weren't preaching... Being a medical doctor or a lawyer is a LOT of work, and has MUCH professional oversight. Just a thought. For someone who can't remember the past, he sure could recall a lot of names, almost as if he wants to name-drop. Further, as someone found out, Moody has no record of vpw completing ANY of its classes, which is the indicator someone completed a class. Sounds like his claim of taking "all" their classes is just hot air. We'll see more of his life soon. He's not very organized.

Ok, everyone playing the vpw drinking game, take one drink whenever he says something is the best in the world. Where did we leave off? Oh, yeah, page 154. vpw was talking about people. pg-155. Um, that didn't answer his question.... Anyone who can untangle this sentence of vpw from pg-170, please do so.. So he remembers it forever until he's done with it, then he forgets it. page 171-172, vpw shares an early childhood memory.

I agree, furthermore, having finished this book, I have the distinct impression that vpw made so many inflated claims about himself that, eventually, he bought into his own press releases, and considered it inconceivable that his name wouldn't continue to cause people to cower in a prostrate manner in perpetuity. If that was completely true, there would be no worries about Mrs W. As it was, it's still partially true-there are still vpw worshippers around the world.

Yes. The second quote is in all versions of the song. The first quote doesn't necessarily get airplay, but will remind you of the parts you HAVE heard. To be specific, I think I have this version at home.

If intellectual honesty, moral character, and truth mattered to you, this would be more than enough of an answer. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/editorial/pl...m-wierwille.htm

Seems, once again, we have someone who's arrived at the GSC with the express purpose of recruiting members for his organization. In this case, he's refrained from actually TELLING us that's what he's doing, which is LESS honest than the previous guys who just walked in and posted an ad. Apparently, that's why it's so important that we all wear special nametags saying "I'm a Christian" or "I'm not a Christian"- so he knows who to approach, and who to make fun of. How do you, as posters, feel about people secretly trying to use the GSC as a recruiting center?

No, you're here to recruit for your organization. So much for "honesty". Plus, this is not the DOCTRINAL forum, where we discuss DOCTRINE. They can approach them FAIRLY and without ATTACK. They have done so. You have not demonstrated a similar ability-not even about other Christians in other Christian organization. Therefore, you are more "biased" than them. Chihuahua, Mexico? Your posts, to date, have been more demeaning, on a whole, than almost anyone else's here. The sheer HYPOCRISY of you calling OTHERS demeaning would be overwhelming, if you still had a conscience.

"What Would You Say" is by the Dave Matthews Band, but it's the wrong decade. Therefore, you want "Oh Babe What Would You Say" written by E.S. Smith, originally performed by Hurricane Smith. The year is 1972.

It's probably the thread titled "Banjo and Mandolin." Click "Advanced search" then type in the words "banjo mandolin guitar bluegrass". You'll get 3 hits. It's not "the Worst Way Song", so it's probably either "Banjo and Mandolin" or "Do you play any musical instruments?" "Banjo and Mandolin" looked like it had lots of links.

Ann Rule book, eh? *googles the name Ann Rule and clicks on her official website* "The I-5 Killer". http://www.annrules.com/prod14.htm ISBN 0-451-16559-4 (Paperback) Signet. "The true case of a handsome, athletic hero who turned out to be someone else entirely. Locale: Oregon, Washington." Amazon.com said "As a young man, Randall Woodfield had it all...." "...As the list of the dead grew, the police mobilized to stop a twisted killer who had 44 known deaths to his name."

Oh, and the fun's just starting. A) It's about 300 pages, so I'm about 1/2 way thru. Most of the remaining stuff is from vpw's mouth. B) We haven't had fun comparing vpw's accounts of things with Harry's, and we haven't compared them with the other book, AND other things he's said publicly, AND what we know to be true.

This was 5 posts ago.

Brother Speed, we forgive you. It was an honest misunderstanding, from an honest heart. I think each of us has done AT LEAST as bad here at SOME point. I pretty much bit off someone's head in September of 2001. They accepted my honest apology. It was 2 days after 9/11, and I live in NYC. I was under unusual circumstances. Since then, I'm sure I've put my foot in my mouth a number of times-I've certainly had some heated misunderstandings. We're all human here. We all try, we all need forgiveness. Just try not to need it on every post. :D-->

pg-138, Earl gives us some of his story: Here, I take note of 2 things. 1) A coach 'riding' an athlete, and destroying his confidence isn't just bad coaching and distraction, it's a 'confirmation of the law of believing.' 2) Again with the "Dr.". All the answers "he" had from the Word-which, of course, are all the answers BG Leonard and the others had from The Word. Moving on... Charlene shares about her initial teachings and doctrinal exposure to twi-at a Way Home. pg-144. Two more things here. 1) FIRST off, they were taught about comfortable living-by misuse of John 10:10, which does not refer to financial wealth. If it DID, Jesus wouldn't have said it was hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 2) SECOND off, they jumped STRAIGHT into "4 crucified" and the Trinity. For STARTING people. Nothing you'd think was needed to START with like "God loves you" "God heals you", and so on-we jump straight into the "look how smart we are" stuff. page-150, The Teacher prepares to speak. Or, you know, he built anticipation by making the audience wait. Standard speaker's tool number one. Even William Shatner's talked about it. vpw tells a story about 2 men who supposedly lived in Van Wert, who did some remarkable things yet nobody seemed to have ever heard of them, even after the fact. vpw even forgot their names. Anyway, he says these guys just sat in an office together in silence for an hour and MADE something happen by just thinking about it. Here's some highlights. pg-150. pg-151 Ok, so these guys nobody ever heard of just sat in a room concentrating on a business, and out of the blue, a guy calls them up to sell his. They didn't go around and say "If someone's interested in selling, please give them this phone# or anything"- he just dialed the numbers by extra-special perception or something. They were "the two meanest guys you could ever want to meet"-but they spent a FORTUNE setting up a foundation for broken homes and a YMCA-or ALL YMCAs-the story isn't clear and a YWCA-or ALL YWCAs-the story isn't clear AND a hospital. Pretty selfless for really mean guys. Also, they did ALL these things, and nobody could STAND them because they were incredibly jealous of these 2 guys who shared their money with everyone. Apparently, the part that they GOT the money before spending it really chafed. Those Van Wert CHURCH people must be the most SHALLOW people in the country. Also, were they disliked because they were mean, or because they were rich? The reason hops back and forth. pg-152, the moral of this fable is given. Then he gives some general plans for classes and growth and stuff, then, pg-153.

And there was much rejoicing. "Yay!" *pennants wave*

Brother Speed, you missed the point. The one doing the condemning and accusing is MJ, who accused the woman who was abused and had her children abused, and received NO help from the system. She is being accused of doing NOTHING, or not putting forth SUFFICIENT effort, or APPROPRIATE effort to try to end abuse and suffering. Despite EYEWITNESS accounts, MJ has insisted that- despite NOT HAVING BEEN THERE TO SEE HOW THINGS WERE- that those who were participants and witnesses are LIARS- claiming their testimony is false- and FOOLS-claiming they didn't do simple things which were appropriate actions to take. (The truth is that all appropriate actions to take that were possible to take were taken, and anyone who says otherwise spreads VILE LIES about others.) No-MJ is not using the vocabulary common to workers in MJ's professed "field". MJ is also absent of the tact which supposedly is present in workers in this field. In short, MJ doesn't think like a social worker, doesn't act like one, and doesn't talk like one. The natural supposition, then, is that MJ is NOT one. Actually, shame on MJ for accusing posters of lying without having the facts at hand. Shame on MJ for not admitting s/he had no idea what s/he was talking about when s/he was doing so-when more information was presented. When sufficient evidence is at hand, a prudent person changes their opinion to match the evidence. We have no proof MJ has done so. MJ certainly did notdo so HERE, where doing so would have taken little effort. Did MJ do that, or just invoke thesubject of praying for them in a display of conspicuous religion? Jimmy Swaggart cried on tv when he was "repenting" of his sins, but few people thought that was true repentance-just the appearance of same. First of all, we have no proof MJ isn't lying from Day One. Second, nobody said ALL social workers are a disgrace-they said the ones who ruined TL's life and did nothing were a disgrace-and MJ attacked TL for needing help. If that's really MJ's job. If THIS is the way s/he behaves here, I'm dubious s/he is making the world a better place ELSEWHERE. If that's meant in sincerity, yes, I agree. If it's meant in sarcasm, it's woefully misplaced, Brother.

We finally meet vpw on pg 124, and Mrs W on pg 125. The contrast between them, as well as the spin on vpw's appearance, are fascinating. I feel it's not complete without something like "and when he stepped forward, the sun shone directly on him, even at night." Mrs W. Hm. When she walks, she walks on the ground.

Rhoda weighs in. pg-88, she says she studied music in Moody Bible Institute, graduating in 1946. She grew up in a Mennonite church, but were excommunicated for violating church policy. Her father had been involved with a Bible College, and she had been on the radio-which was forbidden at the time. Harsh stuff. I wish I could confirm this story. Anyway, it turned her off churches. When she shopped her resume around, she got a letter from VP saying he needed a musician with secretarial skills. She signed on as his secretary September 28, 1947. Chimes Hour Youth Caravan was the name of vpw's radio show. It had TWO choirs. pg-90. pg-91.

Uncle Harry, giving more history. pg-79-80. You were close, but there was NO indication he was searching out deeper truths and, especially, overjoyed at finding some. What he taught then was completely different than what he taught later Fascinating. Harry seems to keep track of the money on things. He says he paid Rhoda as secretary out of his OWN pocket, and criticizes the people in Troy because they wanted to hear vpw teach, and have him over for meals, but not support his ministry financially. His part of this book ends with the final quote Dave gives a partial history of the A/V aspects. pg-82 I noticed that EVERYBODY except his brother calls him "The Doctor", not VP. If it wasn't at his directive, instituted and encouraged by him, I'll eat my keyboard. I also noticed he was calling HIMSELF 'The Teacher' as early as 1963. And yet, Dave keeps mentioning numbers after this, which he must have 'looked at'. Dave seems to think he came up with the idea of vpw on film, and sold vpw on it. Perhaps he is correct. pg-83 pg 85, he says how they priced the filming, then raised all the money IN ADVANCE of filming, and how "Doctor raised the final $11,000 himself." (He must have raised it by growing it, apparently.) page 85, we see the prices invented. We have all that on the authority of the man who never looked at numbers again. How many people besides me see contradictions from one page to the next, and in how such a high (for 1970) price for those LITTLE books was set?

"Uncle" Harry gave some interesting biographical details that help fill in some of the blanks, especially about the youngest son in the family, vp. page 77 Really, Harry? You admitted you didn't SEE him most of the time. Why wasn't he doing his chores in sight and preaching to the animals on the farm, or, you know, the other kids, people who might actually hear something of use? Maybe Dad was on to something. David was a good shepherd FIRST, then a good man of God.... Later, we'll see what vpw has to say about kids and their work ethic. pg-78, Harry again. I thought he'd been preaching for years, Harry-to the trees. Also, Lamarckianism has been thoroughly discredited. You can not inherit an interest in learning. You can ENCOURAGE it, but not pass it along from birth. Finally, Dad seems to think vpw lacked drive, but you said he DID, at least about preaching. Hm. Maybe he had drive for preaching, but neglected his chores. Harry spoke about their father's will. pg-79.

Page 37, a guy tells a story about himself in the military. Quite a coincidence. pages 43-44, we get a description of the Way Corps. page 59, someone speaks about the winter of 1967. One guy from the Print Shop offered this on page-62.

We hear denominations described on page 30. Same discussion, page-33. page 34, same discussion, has something I especially thought was worth noting.