WordWolf

You're saying they'd admit to seeing "Traxx" and believing the 1942 promise at one point, but would be embarassed to admit seeing BW2:BoS? At least there was a puzzle involved.

Pages 43-44, we get a description of the Way Corps. Those of you who were IN the corps, how accurate is this appraisal?

If they were posted in the opposite order, I'd say it was "Eurotrip". I don't know of a movie called "End of Your Rope".

*finally reads the thread* Sounds like I might enjoy this. Either way, it's worth the effort to TRY to like it. I mean, I saw Blair Witch 2:Book of Shadows, but only because of the Secret of Esrever and trying to find all the hidden stuff in the movie. If anyone here saw it besides me (like the Traxx fans), I found out what the sentence spoken "widdershins" was. The captions for the sentence read "(speaking gibberish)" but it WAS a sentence of script. The trick is that, instead of parsing the syllables and writing it out backwards, they did the lazy thing and just reversed the letter order of each word. The actress then read the words as they now looked, and this changed the pronunciation of everything. Oh, and if you didn't figure out what REALLY happened in BW2:BoS, let me know, I have all the 'whats', but not the 'why', which they left open for a 3rd movie which, if ever made, will bypass theaters and home video and just be deposited directly into the city dump.

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This is one of the previous discussions specifically on Momentus.

Ok, let's see... We have the "this is the greatest class in the world" stuff, which is a lie because the ORIGINAL was LEONARD's and all indications are it's better. We have "the Doctor" thing again. We have the "he's been doing research and teaching for 30 years now and this is the result" thing, which, as we NOW know, is a dirty lie. vpw was an unimpressive researcher and teacher when relying on his own abilities (or lack thereof). So, HIS ability to teach and research here are irrelevant. It was his ability to photocopy and mimic the material, substance, style AND PRESENTATION of BG Leonard that made the difference between "some guy in a pulpit" and "some guy with a great class." Of course, the HONEST thing would have been to either make arrangements for LEONARD's class over here or at least acknowledge the material was LEONARD's, but honesty was never a priority with vpw-it interfered with his ability to put forth that he was some great one.

Here is the thing, although I know what I know now, that is exactly how I felt at the time. It was the closer look that exposed the monsters in the man to me. Taking the class -- well at the time, it was the best thing ever. I took it in 1972. What the "class" did for me and what the "man" did to me were very different. But then I contend that the class was a good thing put together by BG Leonard, then hijacked by VP, he could not improve on the class in his life because it wasn't "his life." To me it was a way for him to start a ministry on another man's work... Be hailed as king, visited by poor girls he tried to convert into chamber maids, .... blaa blaa blaa. And yes, I knew him personally. I think I had to, in order to break the spell, or I might still be a lemming.

Same discussion, page-33. page 34, same discussion, has something I especially thought was worth noting. Anyone want to address these?

"It's the class that changed my life." "I was looking for God everywhere and missing Him everywhere, 'til I took that class. Nowhere else can you get this knowledge of how to read and understand God's Word." "And the thing you just can't deny about it is that it works. Apply the principles and you get the results in your life." ALP seems to have objected how completely her life was changed. "Like my place of residence-14 times in 7 years!" "My career plans my schooling years my relationship with my friends, family, etc. my ability to NOT go door to door my NOT wanting to badger people about Bible topics my becoming exclusionary to all musics except stuff put out by TWI my whole freakin' life in general" So the "changes" were not necessarily all POSITIVE ones.... I'm sure that if the same students had looked where BG Leonard was teaching, or were pointed in his direction, they would have gotten the answers they needed. The early classes were nothing BUT Leonard's class with Leonard's name crossed out and vpw's name written in in crayon. "No where else?" Well, if that wasn't what they were told, they might have been able to progress beyond the abilities of one teacher (and all his faults, like committing felonies and stuff.) Does it work? Well, we discussed how the "law of believing" as stated, is no law. At best, it is a rule of thumb. At worst, it is a tool used to batter someone over the head when they are ALREADY suffering. "Bad things happen to you? Your believing was insufficient-it's your fault!" Not exactly the act of a godly person-it's the act of a miserable comforter. The combination of "it's all truth" and "it's the ONLY place to get truth" places an unhealthy dependence upon the organization. Obvious in hindsight, no?

There were four (or maybe five -- it's been over forty years) lights in a linear array. They were usually horizontal, but I think the line could be rotated. Each light was as bright as a sun lamp -- maybe 500 W, so it's posible we had about 2000 W shining in our living room. I was joking, of course, about the ice cubes; but each of us really did squint for a while until our eyes adjusted. George Please DON'T joke and make it look like you're confirming his claims-that's a BAD thing. So, a really bright set of klieg lights is 2000 W, eh? Then, doubling that would have been totally unnecessary in order to film (4000 W.) And multiplying by FOUR (8000 W) sounds like a wild exaggeration. What was the deal with "and I would be blinded for life if I went back the next day. So I went back the next 2 days and didnt become blinded for life", anyway? Anyone? ========= ALP, I separated out that thing about the women because I thought it was characteristic. Notice how he only described them cooking and cleaning? And the guys argued until vpw sorted them out, repeatedly. We'll be getting back to the affection thing later, I have a special surprise when we catch up to it. I'd really like to try to make an effort to address them in semi-order so we don't leave anything out.

Can we get 100*100, then? My 3 unique WordWolf icons STILL won't quite fit, but I have 1 or 2 things I can use. If anyone could resize my images and send me back a smaller iteration of them, I'd appreciate it....

What's the largest height/width/dimensions for avatars on the new site? I was trying to find something that fit in the dimensions of the CURRENT board, and it's almost impossible to fit it-it's TEENY. I have a few different "WordWolf" specific avatars, and NONE of them fit here.

Acts 2:22-26. "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope " ====== It's in the Bible, if Acts 2:27 counts as "in the Bible". A) On THIS website, everyone DOES know way jargon, whether or not they USE it or AGREE with it anymore. This is a site primarily for survivors of twi. This is common knowledge. B) If figures of speech are considered legitimate tools to use in study of Scripture, then all 3 types-figures of addition, substitution and SUBTRACTION are all legitimate. A figure of subtraction places emphasis on what remains. I Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." The omission of the word "seed" after the word "incorruptible" places an emphasis on the INCORRUPTIBILITY. So, it's in the Bible ALSO. C) How can someone who is asleep await anything? I dunno-ask DAVID, who is DEAD and BURIED. D) This was meant respectfully to the deceased, not DISrespectfully. (Only the churl was disrespectful.) Next question. :)-->

Or you can start a thread in the Doctrinal forum and we can all play too. Unless you'd prefer privacy, in which case, never mind. :)-->

Who'd like to take the first shot at our first post, seen here?

Really? Was that the state of the art at that time? 8000 watts.. lessee. That's a BANK of EIGHTY one-hundred watt bulbs. I wonder how valid this claim is. I know the old film formats required a higher light level than modern equipment, but was this the norm? I don't know... My dad used to take home movies at Christmas, and he had to set up these big klieg lights. I think we needed to put ice cubes on our eyes after the filming was done. We WERE the only kids in Chicago with tans in January!! :D--> George No pun intended, but please ENLIGHTEN us-I'd like to hear more. At least tell me the configuration of klieg lights. Do they stack vertically in a narrow column?

Ok, this should be the very last excerpt post..... *wild cheering from the stands* pg-240. pg-251, Dr spencer from West Virginia is speaking. Me, I'd like to know where he went to school, and who taught that. I know medicine has not so completely advanced since, say, med school in the 50s or 60s that they taught that fear of death is a symptom of a bad heart. That belongs more to the "bleed him with leeches" era-or at least the Freud "everything is scientific" era, in the 19th century. Fear of death is a symptom of having brushed death-either thru personal experience or thru the death or near-death of a loved one. I don't even have to go to medical school to learn that. (I'll just stick with my Doctorate of Theology, thankyouverymuch. ;)--> ) Now, this educated MD talks about witnessing, and he talks about how he used to be a "hunter" of men-describing how people ambush a deer with both barrels from a concealed positions (which would make him a SNIPER of men, but I digress.) He then says Interesting analogy. AND COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Peter was not a hook-and-line fisherman, Peter was a NET fisherman. "I will let down the net." The analogy is completely different. A net fisherman casts the net out broadly over the area, then he draws the net out of the water, and whatever is in the net is in the net. Jesus wanted THAT kind of guy, not a line fisherman, AND NOT A HUNTER OR SNIPER. When the sower went forth to sow, he sowed everywhere, and some grew and flourished. He did not study out the area, and bury one seed HERE and one seed THERE. Dr S completely misunderstood Peter's job AND the lesson it teaches us. Then again, even that early, twi was beginning to practice early hints of elitism..... ======= Now then, in the middle of the book is a set of pictures. Most are pretty typical. There's a shot of the traditional birthday dunk-in-the-river "God's blessings on you-SPLASH!", and there's a photo of vpw on the film set of pfal. You can recognize the set, you can recognize the suit, there's the sign saying "power for abundant living" on the desk. vpw's not actively filming in this shot. There's a person in the foreground getting ready to cue the cameraman to begin his countdown-you can see him ready to start the count. vpw is holding up a Bible and looking forward. I don't remember him holding up a Bible at the start of any segment. Plus, he's holding it a little close to comfortably read from. It looks like he's holding it up for the photo snapshot. I also note the light levels. Despite the stage lights, he knows someone is getting ready so snap a picture, and they're standing next to the cameraman. He can see the cue-guy. So, he's looking towards lights that aren't blinding. STAGE lighting blinds you to anything in its direction. If he was using the lighting at STAGE level-which is not as bright as he claimed the lights were during filming-then the entire crew could have slipped away with the camera, and, if they were silent, he'd be waiting for the signal to begin. You can see NOTHING at that light level. (Yes, I've been on stage, and seen the audience vanish as I stepped into the light.) Furthermore, the man giving the cue, and the cameraman, can be seen in silhouette, since they're seen blocking the light to the "studio". If the light really WAS at blinding level, we'd be able to see the pattern of the guys' shirts, and their facial features. The next shot, in fact, shows how tight the formation was..... it shows the side with the cameraman.....but there's no bank of BLINDING LIGHTS lined up in a row like STAGE LIGHTS. Are they all stacked up in the one non-visible corner, out of sight? If so, that's a STUPID place to put ALL the lights. You'd put them CENTRAL in some way. So, unless someone's wheeling in a foldaway LIGHTHOUSE BEACON, the lights were NOT nearly as bright as he claimed. I'm also curious just how lousy this film material supposedly was. The old, old black-and-white turn-of-the century films filmed outdoors to use sunlight. According to vpw, the stage had lights far in excess of that. Car headlights are 18,000 candlepower. They are bright enough to make that studio REALLY bright-brighter than in the photo. Yet, they are not PAINFUL to have shined at you. Am I the only one skeptical of this story? Perhaps he got sore eyes from the filming. I could buy that. But "lose my sight" bright? And he was STUPID ENOUGH to film 2-3 more days when Day One swelled his eyes SHUT and the Dr said he'd be blinded for LIFE? Was he that stupid, or does he think WE are? (No, that was not a rhetorical question.) ============= This ends the posts documenting the contents. Let the full-blown analysis begin!!!!! "Let joy be unconfined. Let there be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons, and necking in the parlor."

But I can bet money that I know of at least one person who thinks that's EXACTLY what he said, meant and did. Which, IMHO, was exactly the reason he made the vague, inflated claim...

Amazing what vpw "allows" to happen. pg-237, we hear Now comes the AD portion of tonight's show. pg-239. Man, I can't hear the sounds of the violin music over the earth shaking there...

pg-234, we see Donnie Fugit arrive in summer 1969, speak to someone in Wichita who was from Rye, NY-which led to the beachhead in Rye. In 1968 (yes, he jumped back a year...) I don't know what the army teaches people about working, but I get the impression that they work pretty hard there, even in peacetime. vpw seems to disagree-at least at this moment. pg-235. Those of you PERSONALLY kicked out by vpw himself, this is a perfect time to remind us..... Ooo, pot, meet kettle..... Regular Mother Teresa of Calcutta he was. Except, you know, for the "helping people" part. Then he decided to set up a leadership program. pg-236. He also says the new improved program is a 2-year program.

I almost missed this, but it illustrates his frame of mind nicely. pg-231. At the House of Acts with Ted... p-232. He said he liked how they were candid and upfront- if they didn't like you, they told you, if they did like you, they told you that. However, this is an amazing quote. We'll be discussing THIS later.... pg-233 vpw tells the Board of Trustees about the group, and they offer to bring them onsite for a Summer School. I especially LOVE LOVE LOVE to compare this next quote with a young person called vpw...

pg-229. Then he spent a paragraph detailing who had done what. Considering his usual proclivities, I'm surprised he did. pg-230. The film was made fall of 1967. He was making plans to visit the fellowship in San Jose, when he makes another ashcan discovery. pg-231, he arrives in San Jose, and tells them he wants to go to Haight-Ashbury. From there he goes to "the Living Room", a Christian house in Haight-Ashbury. There he meets Ted Wise, who invites him to Novato to the House of Acts...

pg-228.