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Maybe this one is junk doctrine, not junk science, but I'm on a roll: The whole concept of "the Word in the stars" is flawed in that the key constellations in this theory appear to be the polar constellations. I do not believe that you can see the north polar constellations south of a certain point (the tropics?) just as we in the northern hemisphere cannot see the Southern Cross. When I put this forth at an advanced class I was told that maybe Pangaea was all north of the equator. --> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Speaking of light, Wierwille, when expounding on "the Word in the stars", Wierwille quoted Job 26:7 - He would then state "that's why there are no stars in the north".Huh? --> There are plenty of stars in the north...it made no sense to me. In the mid nineties Martindale tried to explain it. Even though he had been quoting it for years, he admitted that he didn't know what Wierwille meant by that. To explain, he unveiled a blow up of Bullingers map of the constellations and showed how there was a "gap" between Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, which supposedly represented the "gap" of the Mystery. "See" he said, "there are no stars in the north", meaning between the two Ursas. The only problem was that there are stars in the supposed gap. Easy to see on a clear night away from the cities. At best, there were no constellations in that "gap". One of our young men came home from the advanced class one summer talking about "no stars" in the gap. When I corrected him, he went to the Limb Coordinator for an explanation. The official explanation was that modern man knows of more constellations than they did in biblical times due to high powered telescopes. Huh? --> --> Seems that before the growth of cities the people of biblical times would be able to see more stars, not less! Even when I would point out on camping trips the stars in the so-called gap, no one was convinced except my son Thomas. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Steve!: Thanks for bumping the thread for me Zix: I remember that booklet. Wayne Clapp did something similar when Martindale re-did the PFAL Advanced class in 1994, filmed it as a segment of the class. Seems like it was just speculation, since unless the bible spelled it out (unlikely), how could you really know how the devil pulled things off, but it sounded plausible. I was remembering the TWI view of light sources. Wierwille notes in PFAL that light is "spoken into being" before the sun and stars in the Genesis account. He makes some kind of statement indicating that he believes that light exists independent of stellar objects. He doesn't really dwell on it, it's one of what I call his "throw away lines" - he says something that sounds profound and then never addresses it again - except maybe in Mikey's secret messages :D-->. As usual, Martindale takes Wierwille's gibberish and expounds upon it; the WayAP class has a section where Martindale claims that the sun is not a light source, but somehow merely something that reflects or focuses the true source of light. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Yes they did. If I remember correctly, Falcon's bass player went off to play in Foreigner and was replaced by Gene (maybe his last name was Boccio?). Gene was already in TWI at that time and signed up Mike Visaggio, the keyboard player and Billy Milne, the drummer for PFAL. My girlfriend at the time was also in that class, so I got to know Mike and Billy pretty well. When I left NY in 1980 the whole band except Falcone were active in TWI. Falcone and his original band went to the same Catholic church that I did. His guitarist and I were classmates at the associated Catholic grade school.In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

This isn't an error, just a comment. When reading the PFAL book one can see areas where Wierwille's sloppiness was sometimes edited. When did Wierwille ever verbally refer to "Aramaic in Estrangelo script"? He almost always called it "Estrangelo Aramaic", which is why a lot of us thought that it was a dialect of Aramaic, rather than a type of script. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

love Southside Johnny...couple of ex-Ways used to play in his band...Gene somebody on bass, and Wayne something-or-other on guitar In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

from a :D-->fellow Weenie In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Relf and McCarty founded Rennaissance after the Yardbirds broke up. It's all coming back to me now In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Box of Frogs! Yes, I remember now :P--> - for some reason "Flock of Seagulls" kept popping into my head :o--> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

...and reserved a room In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Me too In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

papajohn...I started a thread on this but it slid off the page due to lack of interest :(--> see my remarks there In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Moved up for papajohn I went back and saw it a second time. There are some holes in the plot, and a few inconsistancies in the way the "time travel" is handled, and how the changes take place. Part of this is the difficulty in general in unravelling how time travel might work. AS far as we know it's not possible, and even if it was we wouldn't know how it would affect the real world. Regarding reviews: one local movie reviewer criticized how Evan would return to the present confused at the changes that had taken place due to his visit to the past. The reviewer scoffed that he would return fitting in perfectly with the changed timeline. Actually, science fiction handles this in a variety of ways, but in most cases the person who initiates the change still remembers the "original" timeline, sometimes holding simultaneous memories from both. Since time travel is an impossible, or at least an unknown procedure, a writer can take whatever liberties he or she wants, as long as they are consistant. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear [This message was edited by Oakspear on February 05, 2004 at 13:36.]

Mike, the offer of a Leinenkugel on me still stands, even though I disagree with virtually everything you say. :D--> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Thinking...that's a good thing, right? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Is Vickles going? Let's add her to the list! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Yeah, I think that's Satriani In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Talk away! I envy you having seen the Y-birds! I was a little too young to have seen them live (I was born in '58) but became a fan after learning that Aerosmith's Train Kept A Rollin' was a Yardbirds cover (1975?). When I was a deejay in the late 80's and early 90's I played a lot of Yardbirds on a blues show that I produced called Shades of Blue: I'd play an old blues standard, say "You Need Love" done by Muddy Waters back to back with Zep's "Whole Lotta Love" (same song basically). The Yardbirds provided a lot of fuel for these back-to-back versions. Didn't the surviving non-famous 'birds get together in the 80's under a different name? I have a vague memory of something or other... In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I snore Loud In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

False dilemma! Yup, some folks did get blessed and stayed, some folks were stupid and stayed, some folks stayed out of fear, or because of family. I think you missed those posts, Mikey, but then again, the purpose of this site is not to tout our lifestyle choices, but to give folks the "other side" of TWI, (or something like that :D-->Oh, and btw, I wasn't offended at your mention of beer as part of my belief system...all praise Leinenkugel's! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Old One: Yeah, I was nitpicking :D--> But you know, I'm only going to do that to posters I disagree with, the folks I agree with can get called by the folks that disagree with them. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Thanks for the links...I'm looking forward to hearing that album, Birdland. It will be interesting to hear some of the guest artists, like Joe Satriani performing Yardbirds classics. While visiting my family in NY this past November, we were watching "American Dream" where one of the main characters is dating a guy in a rock band. While they are talking backstage, you hear the unmistakable harpsichord intro to "For Your Love" and see in the background a group that is supposed to be The Yardbirds. Later in the show at an autograph session a fan asks one of the band members where "Mr. Clapton" is, and is told that he has been replaced by Jeff Beck, and that they are sure that Mr. Beck will do just fine. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

...perhaps a pole dance by Sudo around the sacred pear tree? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I love it when Mike quotes Wierwille's PFAL book to support his belief that PFAL is god-breathed. He quotes from a book that we don't agree on the value of, let alone it's God-breathedness (yes, I made that word up), as if producing the written words of the man many of us consider a charlatan will convince us that he wasn't a charlatan and his word were god-breathed In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

We could have trusted him before he made that statement? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear