Oakspear

Thanks Grizz, I will be sure to mention you in my next book as someone who had the basics, but needed me to "put it all together". In theory, there is no difference between theory and skunk pelts...but in practice there is Oakspear [This message was edited by Oakspear on January 06, 2004 at 1:58.]

Ttessa: I didn't say it was easy darlin', just disorderly and unstructured. :D--> and I'm all in favor of riding on someone else's success! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Opinions that you are entitled to (not a complete list :D-->) The opinion that The Way was (or even still is) a godly organization The opinion that Wierwille was a good man who made some mistakes, but still taught us "The Word" The opinion that what you experienced in TWI was good, great, godly or "neat" The opinion that someone else's memories of the "good ol' days" is a delusion The opinion that someone else's opinion about the worth of Wierwille, PFAL, or TWI in general is WRONG remember, it's not a complete list :D-->In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

My use of the word "excuseable" had more to do with how people viewed the sins, rather than how God views the individual. It was my obsrrvation that some GSers, while ready to agree what an idiot, pervert, loud-mouth, etc Martindale was, seemed somewhat relucxtant to say or think anything negative about "Doctor". In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

...but we smoked and hugged in a most disorderly fashion :D--> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

The above list is not meant to disparage the amount of work that the actual cooks put into things, THEY were organized! Oh, we also smoked cigarettes and hugged each other In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Tucket is correct, we are incapable of planning get-togethers! Perhaps congentitally! There have been informal GS meets here and there for the last few years, the biggest difference with the SCWR was that somebody named it! Some of you may be overestimating the amount of order and structure there was in the SCWR. Shell and Rascal told herbiejuan to set the date in the chat room 2.7 seconds later he had done so Somebody (I think herbiejuan) checked into cabin prices at Tim's Ford Those who wanted cabins either reserved them themselves, or hooked up with someone who did, likewise campers several folks volunteered to cook we showed up we ate we drank "adult beverages we ate some more we drank some more we ate the next batch we sat around talking and laughing in between and during the eating and drinking we went home In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Now all I need is a sycophant to mindlessly defend me In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I thought "skunk pelt" had become a bona fide part of the GS lexicon, I was surprised that some thought I had originated it. Well, you unearthed my plagarism, what next, will you start doubting my doctorate? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Dr. Oakspear, BsD

Rush was the band that convinced me to stop going to concerts under the influence. I had seen them once during the 2112 tour, quite impaired. About a year later I took the subway directly from work to the venue, didn't have time to "impair myself". Nothing was available inside. I was amazed at how much better everything sounded without chemical enhancement. Thanks guys. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

There is unrest in the forest There is trouble with the trees For the maples want more sunlight And the oaks ignore their pleas In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

........... In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Didn't mean to sound anal, but this thread was really going places...how did it become a banned word experiment? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Gee, I'd hate to see this thread closed down In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

You have to stop and think? You don't know 'em all? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Lightside: Since we're talking about six months, I'm assuming that there is still no cancer. Great! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Done playing with your new toy? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

If RFR was installed as President with any kind of ceremony, including the transfer of the mantle, it was not made known to the rank and file. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Hiya folks: No way did I expect this thread to go where it has, but I'm glad it did. Thanks to those who ripped the scabs off of the old wounds in order that the truth might be better or more widely known. I started it because there seems to be people out there who think that Martindale screwed up a good thing, that he messed up what the godly and venerable founder, our "father in the Word" started. As far as the moral foundation of The Way, it was a stinking swamp when Martindale got in, he didn't make it that way, but he did choose to perpetuate the stench. To think that Wierwille was running a clean operation is to ignore the testimonies of those who were abused. This thread isn't about the doctrine, but any of you who still run the old PFAL classes, how can you stand to hear his voice or look at his face? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Wordwolf: The mantle, aka the skunk pelt was placed on Martindale's shoulders by Wierwille at the "inaugeration and installation" ceremony in October 1982. It was part of a three-part symbolism that included oil, salt and the mantle. Martindale also exchanged an academic hood from KU for a Trustee hood to hang on the back of his clergy robe as part of the same ceremony In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Wasn't the "research" department out looking for all those "texts" and "originals" that Wierwille and Martindale were always saying backed up their opinions? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Socks, my man, you have got some good stories. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

tornadoes are caused by trailer courts In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

PFAL was well designed to lead you down the garden path of blind obedience. It was touted as "a class on keys", a way for you to be able to read and understand the bible without having to depend on what "Right Rev. so-and-so" said, or what was written in commentaries. But it was, in reality, an introduction to taking what Wierwille said as gospel. Oh, you didn't do that? You actually checked out those translations of Aramaic words and verified the translations according to usage? You found independent verification of his definitions of Greek words? Wierwille does a good job in spots, especially early in the class, of letting the bible speak for itself. He points out differences between the clear reading of the bible and what tradition teaches. He starts off by documenting biblically most of what he says. Little by little he starts moving away from that. While reading the King James, he continually tells us what the words really mean, and throws out definitions that occur nowhere else. Because he started out plainly reading what was written and taught us some pretty straightforward "keys", we swallowed what he taught without question. Whether or not you still like PFAL, whether or not you saw any good in it, whether or not you thought it accomplished a godly purpose, the PFAL class was designed to put you under a "spell", to captivate you and cause you to accept without critical thinking. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear