Raf

I originally replied to dmiller's question, then saw that I got to the party a little late. You can speak in tongues if you have the holy spirit is NOT the same thing as You must speak in tongues or you don't have the holy spirit. I never heard Wierwille say anything even approaching that, and if TWI started ACTING as if that were true, they did it after I left, because I never heard it.

They'll never get it.

The forecast track seems to be moving to the south, so you may get away with this party. I'd say 50/50 right about now.

No, this wasn't obscure. To geeks. :)

You should be fine for your travel, but the wedding looks like it's in trouble.

Just perfect. Just bloomin perfect.

This thread is hereby re-christened "The Producers." Movie and broadway posts are accepted. That outta do it. :)

Carpe Turnum!

And when effect is used as a verb, it means... CAUSE! I hate that.

By the way, on Gitarzan, look at the first letter of each line of my post.

Pointy-headedness beats sycophantic idolatry any day. Actually, pointy-headedness is apparently Mike's way of saying "careful analysis of the facts and truth as they relate to what I actually wrote."

Aye, Chihuahua? Is this the movie pictionary thread?

There goes the neighborhood. :)

RULEBREAKER! AWAY WITH YOU!!!! Just kidding. I would have posted the next one, but I just posted the last one, and it took forever, so yours is as good a place to start as any. :)

I was looking forward to Hurricane Zeke, myself.

Allan, Not to defend Mormonism, but according to Wierwille's doctrine, if Hitler had been born again as a teenager, then committed all his atrocities, he'd be heaven-bound and all hell couldn't stop him from going. Is that any less weird than what the Mormons believe? And what did you say about "organization" that you're taking back?

Guess we should give them a hand, eh George? I didn't think so either. Tough clue. Not a song most people think of off the top of their heads. And another thing: it's got a funky spelling. Reminds me of the time I was dreaming of all the women who kept company with the Greek god. Zeus! Yeah, that was his name. And most didn't even know it was him! Nitwits.

You guys are going straight to Gehenna in a handbasket, finding humor in the pain of your fellow man! I'm telling you, thoe Reckless and Hilarious Devil Spirits are coming after you! I'm reporting this thread to modnuthinbettertodo!

to put something in bold on Greasespot, you need to put the letter "b" in brackets []. Then, to get out of bold, you put "/b" in brackets. The type of computer you use shouldn't make a difference. There's an easier way, too. If you hit "add reply," NOT "Fast Reply," then you can type to your heart's content. Anything you want. Doesn't matter. Then take the word you want in bold and highlight it. Just above the area where you start typing, there's a B (look to the right of the smileys). Click on the B, and the brackets will show up around the text you've selected. See? It's easy!

Someone had a smiley for group hugs once. Oh well. GROUP HUG!

Ah, so now we have TWO ex-JW ex-Ways in da HOUSE! Yeah!

WordWolf, tell the truth... You enjoyed that.

Actually, I wasn't defensive when you pointed out that the JWs had their own translation. I merely said that the translation of YHWH as Jehovah in the Old Testament made sense. They're not the only ones who do it, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why I said your criticism was an "incomplete" statement. You inadvertently made it sound as if they shoved the name Jehovah all over the Bible where it does not belong, when in fact your criticism applies almost entirely to the NT and just about not at all to the OT. And one last thing... I did receive Jet's apology, and I would accept it if I were offended at all. The apology was unnecessary. The reason I did not communicate that I was upset is... Well, I wasn't upset. :) But more to the point, I didn't follow up on this thread after I posted, for which I apologize.

JET: Raf, are you affiliated with the JWs? RAF: No, but I was, in my childhood. JET: I could get out previous notes I made while I was in the organization and show you all the places where they put in the word Jehovah, or Jesus in place of the word 'lord' where it WAS NOT appropriate. RAF: That would only reinforce what I said, which was, “The New Testament is where it gets tricky, because they used "kurios" (not sure I have the exact transliteration there) when quoting OT passages that contained YHWH. So sometimes inserting "Jehovah" in place of Lord is appropriate in the NT, and sometimes it is not.” So, if I said sometimes the change was not appropriate, and you show instances where it was not appropriate… I’m confused. Where are we disagreeing? :) JET: One thing comes to mind is where it was talking about a woman and her husband, and it was said her husband was her 'lord' in the Bible, in the NWT is said Jehovah (I believe). RAF: I’m not familiar with that verse. I’d love to see it. JET: You are protective of the JWs; is this because you are among them? RAF: Am not; no. JET: If so, I caution you against this group. RAF: You’re about 24 years too late on that one. JET: They are fear motivated, among other things. RAF: Including disingenuous, legalistic, and no fun at birthday parties. JET: …but hey, you and others should follow your hearts. RAF: Umm, thanks. JET: I personally have found many of their doctrine full of mis-truths. RAF: So have I. JET: For instance, do you REALLY believe Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel? RAF: Did I say I did? Where did I say I did? JET: There would be more. I've made it my passion to try and FORGET about the indoctrination I went through within that Group. RAF: Why did “Group” get a capital G in your statement? A little holdover respect for The Truth? (I’m kidding, of course. Just wanted to see if I could get a rise out of you). Anyway, I’m the opposite: I don’t want to forget that experience, because I want to recognize it when I see it happening again. For instance, the church I currently attend (even though I don’t agree with them on every point of doctrine) recently celebrated its 20th anniversary, and they had this big, back-patting celebration the last two Sundays. They were kind enough to tell us they were going to do this. I stayed away, because I get the heebie-jeebies every time groups get so danged proud of themselves. Too Watchtower and Way for my tastes. JET: At any rate, I didn't intend for my comments to 'offend' but perhaps if you want to start a post in support of the JW's so many TRUTHS, I'd be glad to dig up my notes. RAF: Why would I want to do that? Because I think they got YHWH right in the OT? I think they got tithing right, too. JET: I'd also be happy to share with you years of Horror that occurred all in the name of that Organization. RAF: Great. Not only do I have to live through that, now I have to hear how you lived through it? :) Kidding again. But, hmm, a capital O in Organization… JET: How a man disowned his family because they did not become JWs. OH, I could write a book. RAF: And I could read it. In fact, I have. Several times. One of the best is called Crisis of Conscience. Interesting stuff. JET: Have you ANY idea what takes place in their Headquarters? RAF: Yeah, and I’ll give you a hint… ker-CHING! ker-CHING! JET: Russel and Rutherford were in no way Biblical Scholars.... RAF: And they were no fun at birthday parties or Christmastime either. JET: Blessings, Jeannette RAF: Don’t give God a direct order. BAAAAAhahahahahahahaha! So, are you ex-Way as well? Rafael