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Oh, let's get it over with. The one that came to mind first of the two was..... John Hancock.

I would like to choose between two guesses I am thinking of, whose last names start with the same two letters. Which one to pick because I dont wanna cheat by mentioning both at once... and if someone in the meantime beats me to it, maybe it is because they know and deserve it more... of course the way things are going it probably isn't either of mine...just two names that come to mind from that era... pondering...

You must have spent time as a carpenter because you may have hit that nail right on. Yea I'll have a good holiday, if only because through a common quirk in my work schedule, I get paid for working it even though I actually have Thanksgiving day off...since I only have two days off this week, I get paid as if I am working the holiday

Tired of just keeping the 9th corps thread alive! Let 'em live or sleep on their own merits!!! Besides, there's something about this 8th corps thread that fits my mood right now.

All the aptitude tests I took before entering Penn State told me that I should be an accountant...but despite my eternal aptitude with numbers, I knew I would never have the temperament for it. I needed more variety in my life's work...like the changing weather. And nobody ever asked me to work with numbers in TWI.

First, I don't think I could do much speaking out on my own, or at least based on my own experiences. They simply aren't worth speaking out about on my own. Not standing by themselves, anyway. When I read Kristen's book, however, quite a few bells got rung. I mentioned early on this thread that being in the 8th corps as well during that first residence year at Emporia helped understand a lot I didn't realize before. Even being also in Indiana during my apprentice year contained some of those bells that were rung. Most appropriately, some of the things that were taught and said that made conditions ripe for people to be abused as she was, suddenly didn't seem so minor anymore. Even a little experience of my own (the "loosening up" thing I have mentioned on a couple posts somewhere) that happened later at HQ became much more significant, not so much for my experience, but for how it showed how ripe conditions were for such experiences as she and others have gone through. I realized that if I could ever help back up her...or anyone's...abuse experience by telling about some of these things in light of the abuse that was committed, I could and would do that. I realized further that even many of the good in my own experience could be relevant. It could help illustrate how people presumably of common sense and good upbringing could wind up committing themselves to the point of obeying, even if it meant being abused. The late Jan Groenveld, whose posts graced the onelist (now the Way on yahoo groups I guess) , always had that quote at the end of her posts, "The most dangerous lie is that which most closely resembles the truth". Of course, there is something, the importance of which comes ahead of speaking out, and that is getting healed. I think Kris' remarks about how writing about her experiences was healing, on her second interview with Paw, drove that home. So, if the need for me to speak out didn't arise, that is fine because the most important thing is being accomplished, the healing. I hope that is the case as well for any others who speak about their abuse. The most real experiences to people are those they have lived. The most real experiences of someone else to a person are those they let you (or me or anyone) live. Kris wrote in a style that lets us live her experience, not just hear it told about from 30 years or whatever later. Of course, the whole thing requires trust. I imagine it is hard to tell an experience of abuse to others without fear of being doubted, criticized, stalked, personally attacked or etc. etc. and etc. It also can be hard for someone to trust an account when believing it requires a major adjustment to one's thinking about how their live has been lived. I've thought that all this trusting can go together, or fail together. That's my own thoughts on this, and sometimes lately I have wondered if I've been barking up the wrong tree. (I use that expression partly because our small dog likes to chase the local squirrel population, and often winds up literally barking up the wrong tree). However, to comment on your post which I took the liberty of quoting above, if it makes you want to speak out, then look for ways to do it.

OK, before anyone corrects me, Norm was a catcher and sometimes caught Larry. And Larry wasn't that GREAT a hitter, looking up his stats. I think what happened is I remember a game when he was 3 for 4 with a home run and that made an impression on my young-eventually-to grow-older mind.

yea, I've never seen the Black Friday madness at the grocery...it is spread out.

Well I am guessing this thread I was babbling about in the shoutbox was correct...so I will add my birthday wished to Paw for THIS year. But if anyone wants to start a new thread, have at it!!!

I had my one and only tour of the White House earlier that month, although in later years I sang at the Pageant of Peace a couple times on the White House Lawn as part of my HS choir...and i certainly passed by enough times. JFK was the first President I saw live. It was only briefly as he passed by near where I lived. This was not long before we moved to the DC area. It was in Columbus, OH; he came to campaign for Governor Michael DiSalle in the fall of 1962. It was the only campaign I ever actually worked in. DiSalle lost his bid for re-election to James Rhodes.

(sigh)...it would be nice if economic eating and healthy eating went together. Yes, I know it can...but I guess we are talking about these things going together for people who not aonly do not have a lot of resources to pay, but also reasources to search and dig and all that. As fast food joints, bargain menus usually mean, well, you know... I have been in mourning many years over Wendy's getting rid of their salad bars.

I still remember my corps acceptance letter...."If we do not hear from you by Christmas, we will drop you."

Raf must be out for a couple days...Hello Raf...

With that clue, let me take an admittedky wild stab at Thomas Jefferson.

I don't have any direct comment to make on this...for now... but you are hereby invited to post some of these opinions on the baseball thread!!!! :) And I invite myself to do a better job of proofreading. I am tired of editing my posts for silly little typos!

I guess I was one of them way back then. :) When did this CU get started???

Just curious; you are obviously contrasting "today" with "yesterday"; how long ago was "yesterday"? and are you referring to employer or employee loyalty, or both?

One I havnt actually seen but an uncle told me about was many years ago, back in the 50's probably, a tornado tore through a town call Ruskin or Ruskin heights, and tore the "s" and 'k" off a "Ruskin" sign, leaving the rest...

Back in the old days, my Dodger days, the Sherry brothers pitched for them and could hit like crazy. Of course, the Babe was a dang good picther, but I guess he just hit too well. and then there was that feay byTony Cloninger; two grand slams in one game.

I'm just waiting to see all the fighting over who gets to play in that big game, now that we're evidently out of it; locked into the Rose Bowl and probably playing someone we already beat the tar out of. 'Bama and Florida are up there, but I think they will have to play each other twice in a row. Or maybe not twice. I was looking at the schedules and I guess they have the SEC title game on each team's schedule now at it confused me.

My thinking when I was painstakingly drawing those reflection angle lines with the neat little arrows. After the announcement which took place in the middle of that procedure, I hrridly scratched the rest of them in about 30 seconds what should have taken 3 or 4 minutes, and didn't worry about getting any bad marks for it.

8th grade science class, Bryant Intermediate School, Fairfax County VA, drawing angles of reflection on a paper upon which was situated a mirror and several pins. Two days later I was standing in the streets of Washington, watching the funeral procession. I rememebr to this day the repetitive drumbeat.

Well, no one should accuse you of being a brainwashed Yankee fan!

Something tells me I should know this one, but I dont have it...yet anyway.

Another tidbit from my interim corps/Philly WOW year. I actually went to a few Philly games. Well, where else can you be around a lot of people? (Can't say I got any of them signed up, though.) And, between seasons, I rememebr all the hype about Pete Rose coming to the Phillies. The word was that the fans wanted him, and he wanted to come. reportedly when asked if he would take less money to come to Philly, he said yes, but not a lot less. Well, of course, things got worked out. I think it was 800 thousand a year for four years. OK, someone index that to inflation, and I bet it is still quite a bit less than todays contracts. Right? Wrong?