Lifted Up

I do think I recofnize at least a couple of faces.

On the corps camping trip in Kansas in March 1978, we were hiking across the countryside with all our gear (including our live chickens), and were settling down to our camping spot in the evening, having already pitched our two person tents (coed no less). As we milled around after a meeting, I pointed out the lightning on the northeastern horizon to our co-leader, fellow 8th corps and resident outdoorsman Jack W. He asked me my professional opinion of what it meant, and I told him it looked like a line of heavy thunderstorms. He didn't wait for me to tell him if they were headed our way (I didn't know, to tell the truth); but immediately with co-leader and 6th corps Dave B. directed us to gather up camp immediately. We did (it took a little time) and the whole group h9iked off (again carrying all out gear) to some empty farm buildings, making it just as the first raindrops fell. There we spent the rest of the camping trip, through the snow the next day, and that's also where we prepared our FRESH chicken dinners (but that's been gone over a few times). It's also where fellow 8th corps and tenor JZ, with the whole group lounging around in the hay, announced out loud that he was changing his pants. When asked why he told everyone, he said "So those who want to turn away can do so, and those who want to look can look."

The 8th corps men at HQ decided to pull a raid on the women having a get together in the Wierwille home. It wasn't a panty raid, but a nacho raid...we all stormed in and out together, taking their big nacho plate in the confusion. We had two women allies. First a couple of the guys went to Mrs. W. and got her permission...VPW was away from HQ at the time. More noteably, Naomi T., wife of coordinator JT, gave us the inside scoop on what they were doing and the fact that there would be the big nacho plate available. A bit later, some of the women came up to us outside our trailer as we were snacking...heh heh...and NT was snacking right along with us, They looked at her and exclaimed her name in surprise like she was a traitor...which I guess she was. But everyone (I think) got a laugh out of it in the end. This was in the fall of 1979.

I'll say...the part about having spoken from your personal experiences, that is. And I don't know how the h*** else we are going to really know about what happened. Especially when the person giving testimony is a real live person giving his/her own testimony. God knows (and the rest of us who have been around should) that you are not shy in giving your opinion. Neither are many others, actually. But you back it up as best you can. Not with rhetoric. I could give some good examples, but I dont think everyone wants to hear my deprogramming story again now. Credibility is hurt by exagerration and by second, third, or fourth hand accounts replacing personal testimony.And, if I am making an honest effort to learn about some things, I understand that personal testimony is not always available. But when I find it hard to get any of it at all, then am told, as I once was, that if I didnt accept someone's second hand account of someone else's experience that I probably wouldn't believe the person's first hand account anyway, then I really start to doubt that the event happened at all. I could have taken it personally, that the person who told me this was calling me a liar in stating I really want to know what happened. However, I didn't, because I think it reflects a general attitude that certain things are to be taken as the gospel truth here without question. I don't think Cat means in the least to say that we shouldn't talk about TWI stuff if it isn't our personal testimony. But I think she strikes a wise note about credibiity. So, don't go to far Cat, ont he "I don't fir in" idea...stick around. By the way, want some tuna? Or too much mecury for you?

I remember we presumably scored PR points with the locals because we sent those nurses to some city meeting that included the school people and so forth. And I remember being in line two people away from inspection when it was decided the infestation was there. Yep, I remember the kerosene.

If we know both that some were greatly hurt and that others were greatly helped by TWI, that sets up quite a conflict IMO...therefore its hard to find too many people on either side willing to acknowledge the other side, or to mention the other side without de emphasizing it to the hilt.

Speaking of skits, we did 37th anniversary skits at HQ in 1979. Ours was a combo on Zaccheus and the IRS. Besides me, I remember we had CW(producer),and JW, 8th corps, and JK and SP, 9th corps.

It is a big issue, but because people on all sides of the fence can be sensitive. The subject got so hot on another forum two years ago that discussion about it was stopped, and I saw the contents of an interview on a sensitive part of the subject changed after I contacted the interviewee. Some people, including some GSers are involved with these groups. That does not mean they have pledged allegience to the group. On the other hand, some do not want anything teacinh anything TWI like to be a part of their lives, and this does not mean that these groups are destructive cults. In any event, Radar's warning is warrented IMO.

Didnt know if you were just making a smile or really didnt recognize JT. He is the one whose wife NT helped us out when we corps men raided the women in the VPW home and stole their huge plate of nachos. He is also the one whose shadow appointment I forgot, which set him on a tirade of why I could memorize all the scripture I did but couldnt remember one appointment. (I didnt forget my VPW shadow though.)

Uh-Oh!!!

I rarely had any personal trouble with GW; of course as a group we got plenty of rantings and ravings. I guess I was a good boy. One Sunday I was on BP before the evening teaching. He reprooved me for allowing a car to go up the drive too fast without saying anything, but my humble "yes sir, I guess I should have" earned me a smile and head pat. And I think I got him on my side when I ripped out Thessalonians. It was somewhat different two years later at HQ.I got plenty of personalized reproof from JT, VPW, BR, and HA, and eventually the boot.

Yes, yes, I well remember that GW did most of the scut work....read reproof. So do you mean to say that LCM was human when he did that in your first year?

As long as we are on that year, one cold but calm November evening I ran out to the airport and back. There was no one there, but the door was not locked, and I proceeded to check out the weather. While I was there, some pilot flew in alone and I witnessed to him. Several weeks later, JAL flew in with him to teach a class. The guy mentioned that night to JAL, who in turn related it to me. (JAL had been my LC at Indy.)

I thought GW was there mainly to keep us babes in line that year. After all, LCM was still in the forefront.

They are on schedule. Gary Beach had promised to answer some questions from my son to help out with a school report on musicals, but unfortunately my son waited too long to get his e-mail together. Gary is currently starring in "La Cage aux Folles" on Broadway while filming "The Producers", and has no time even to breathe between these projects.

You're right. The strain of working nights I guess. IGNORE ANY OF MY POSTS AFTER RAF'S LATEST QUESTIN and go back to it. As for me, I don't know the answer. "...I got thrown out of school for that." ??? Rings a bell, faintly, but cant make it come to mind.

Well, such honesty. But I think I would like to shake this onto someone else, so I will get more obvious for those who havent taken themselves out... Another quote from the star... "That's why it didn't come in the icebox after us! It can't stand cold!" And another quote from the same star, but from a DIFFERENT and well know later movie... "When there's a fire I outrank everybody"

Steve....you seem to recognize it...but don't know the title?

OK, Just to get this thread moving again, I will give you what I consider to be a giveaway quote...of course maybe some of you youngin's who havent seen the movie double digit number of times wouldnt consider it a giveaway... Again by the star... "Dad, it isn't vandalism! Doctor Hallen is dead and he was killed by some sort of a monster."

So, should I now give a more recognizable quote from this movie, or should I wait more to be sure others have had a fair shake at what is out so far?

I did pretty much but its nice to have the "official" word from the poster of the question. The movie is a little bit of a classic in its category, and, I think, the first starring role (not the first appearance) for a very big name star (who BTW uttered the quote). I can think of a few more easily recognizable quotes, but for some reason the one I posted is one of my favorites in the movie.

No wrod yet on the correctness or incorrectness of my answer. I'll wait till then to wonder if everyone is stumped by my question, since it wont count if my answer is wrong. Or did I kill this thread and who cares anymore?

Happy Birthday!!! ----------=======~~~~~~~~ TTRRRIIIPPPP????? (Inside tradition for the unknowing)

An American Werewolf in London A little presumptious, since I havent been around much lately, but if I am right, get this one from a movie I saw new when I was a kid (no, it wasnt a silent flick)... "You said you can beat this kiddy car going backwards."

One very notable thing about Emporia meals back in the '70s (8th here) was the unavailability of second portions. In short, it certainly wasn't an all-you-can-eat deal. I'm not sure that was all bad, though. Funny thing, I did not lose or gain weight at Emporia, and I was a 27 year old male not on a diet, and active(no need to try to convince any former residence corps of the active part). Oh, about 155 pounds BTW. An Indy 6th corps friend, female, (with whom I was also in residence with for a while in my first year), weighing somewhat less than I did, gained quite a bit of weight her first few months in residence. I know this is true (besides the fact that she told me) because I saw her when she was came back to Indy on temporary LOA; she had to buy new clothes when she got to Indy. When I asked her why, she said that she was eating much more regularly in residence than she had before because the meals (along with a lot of other things) were so structured. I did know someone very well who lost weight while we were at Emporia; about a hundred pounds I believe. But he was loving every minute of it, and obviously a lot better off, as he started, I believe, at over three hundred. He was my Indy 8th corps buddy and lightbearers partner, plus the one with whom I sang a duet to win an extra sandwich at the Texas farm, the famed "General Patton" some may remember. Either way, I think the diet was a lot better than, for example, Bill Clinton's admitted fast food quadruple bypass fare. At HQ in residence, things were a little different...seconds were usually there. And I could do things like pull off my solo pantry raid after returning from LEAD.