Lifted Up

And yes, Ex, I think they may be finding a place for that squirrel on the roster.

From the old days, I remember... Rocky Colavito hitting four homers in one game. The 1959 pennant race The Indians playing the Los Angeles Angels at Wrigley field in L.A. in 1961. Mudcat Grant posing for me on camera day in Washington. The Indians hitting four straight homers, causing the exploding scoreboard operator to run out of fireworks. The presidential opener in Washington in 1966 with the Indians in town. The Presdent didnt make it that day; HHH was there. The 1966 pennant race The Indians beating the Senators after trailing with two out in the top of the ninth, when the next Tribe batter struck out but reached irst when the catcher lost the ball. Doc Edwards...who now manages our minor league team here.

Did I see my name mentioned? oops. Well, anyway, ever since I made note of those Cleveland Indians, they have gone into a nosedive. Of course, they are still ahead of the White Sox.

I know one song VPW sang several times, mainly at outdoor gatherings, was "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus"...no Christ in it, just Jesus. I remember it from the corps, and I remember when he sang it at an evening outdoor get together at PFAL '77 at Muncie. Yes, there was the selling...the "motivational techniques" we were taught in the corps. But Jesus wasnt entirely absent. Of course, Ex, I got yanked out before you graduated.

Something owed equals forced giving. Therefore I would prefer to assume that I am never owed something (unless I am playing Monopoly). Then if I DO get something, it is not given grudgingly. (If someone owes me two thousand bucks for landing on my Boardwalk hotel, though, I dont mind a grudging giver).

Yea, well that's the impression I have from various recent feeback. Now, if a good friend or close family member didn't believe it, I can see where that would be different.

Some (such as I) have neither accepted nor denied some things that have ben posted. What I see under Raf's name on his posts (Two Words: Internet Anonymous) may have a lot to do with that. Raf's comment tells well the basis for my comments and questions which have been directed at Mike. He seems to have accepted, but downplayed. I put myself mentally best as I can in the place of someone this has happened to and I cant accept the downplaying. I guess that is what triggers all the discussion. I get the impression that as far as believing it happened or not, those who have said they were victims don't care that much whether the rest of us believe it or not.

I think one can magnify a hurt by mentioning it and then saying it is less important than other issues, whereas it might be better just to discuss those other issues without the comparison. On the other hand, acknowledging the horror of someone's hurt with the best understanding you can muster, just maybe could lead to a little healing.

This was a double post as I clicked the quote instead of edit button. Was trying to get rid of this one...so ignore this.

Re my above post, it is the reason I asked Mike the question I did in my earlier post. It is bad enough to have control of your own life taken away (e.g.as was done to me in my deprogramming), so I couple my experience with trying, however partially I can succeed, with losing also control of your body as well, as what happens in cases of rape and sexual abuse. Because this has to be so horrible and event...and charge as well...my standards for accepting events do not include someone talking about someone else's experiences, or someone's distant and anonymous account. But my standards also do not include downplaying, whether directly or by implication, the significance of such horror anyone has gone through.

Good point, in that Oldies is talking about his own experience. The teachings that had been around for so long were not taught to him before his involvement in TWI. Just as some of the ideas that are part of basic Christianity and supposedly part of my chuch's doctrine were never taught to me before I became involved in TWI. Yes...the good and the bad...not discounting either, no matter how good the good seems, or how bad the bad. I think we should try to put ourselves in the other's shoes in both cases.

Mike, I have seen people talk about something a LOT more serious, IMO, than "a few unwanted advances". Finding out more about just what DID happen seems to be another matter. But with this phrase, you seem to brush it aside with an attitude of...even if it did happen, it wasnt that big a deal. So, I ask you, and very seriously, were there only a few unwanted advances involved? Because I have seem people here talking about a lot worse, at least in terms of how you seem to downgrade the phrase. If you have reason to believe there WASN'T any worse, then I would genuinely like to hear about it.

I and my partner didnt get chewed out at all after producing little fruie in our two sessions at Durant, OK in 1978...although we had plenty of evidence of effort, setting up a meeting after arranging free use of a hall with the city folk. We didnt get much response, and our individual witnessing efforts didnt get anywhere. I heard the chewing out was mostly reserved for the "senior" (last residence year) corps, and I didnt quite make it that far into my last year.

Hey, since when do I put the ninth corps thread in front of the eighth? Better correct that, plus not letting Simon take this one over completely.

It has to be done a little differently when you have your own teenagers at home...three now, four later this year. The twelve year old is starting to act like one right on schedule.

Yea, I was pleasantly surprised...but that is partly because those White Sox are having their problems...they may not be playing well, but the injury bug doesn't help.

No I didnt. Reminds me of the time I made a request in my high school French on the old teletype years ago for a resend on a river report. The guy at the other end came back in a torrent of fluent French which overwhelmed me...followed by "Didn't know I spoke French did you">

Besides, Simon, maybe I like talking to a wall. No arguments!

Manager of the year...Eric Wedge? The Indians have had hitting all year...highest scroing team in the majors. But the improvement in their pitching is big. Getting Wickman back hasnt hurt, but several starters and relievers have shown fine individual improvement. Plus, the team has learned how to win most of the close ones.

Interesting that as a young Cleveland Indian fan, one of their players over 40 years ago was Doc Edwards. He managed the Indians for a little while back in the '80s. Now he is in town (has been for a while) as the manager of our Northern League Canaries...who, like the Indians of the 60s dont seem to go too far.

Well, the only one I Know of for sure that's around here these days is LittleHwak, and I havent been able to get him to the 8th corps thread for quite a while...but I guess even two could not do much. My reason for butting in, though, was real, despite my warped attempt at humor. Lonnie and Vicki have been great people in AND after TWI. You are probably right about that baseball thread though.

Can I butt in here for a moment? I mean, I saw some good friends names mentioned, even if I havent heard from them for a while. Lonnie started 8th corps with me. I knew Vicki from fall of 1979 at HQ. Havent had any contact since, was it last year or the year before, when I talked to Lonnie on his birthday in October. Actually I guess I did have some contac earlier this year, when I had a cold....HA HA HA (8th corps humor).

Why am I posting on this thread today? Because it's there. Or is it here?

Are you that old? My Cleveland Indians had their last World Series win in 1948, two years before I was born, so it may as well be a century.

Teresa was one of the two who, indirectly, led me into commiting to the corps, and with whom I later spent some time with at Emporia in residence. The other was my 7th corps PFAL instructor, whom I have never been able to locate. I did talk to Teresa, though , a few years ago. One thing (among many) I remember about her is the time she wote to me, I think it was during my interim year as a Philly WOW, and told me in excited tones how she had met the man of her dreams. I recalled this to her in our brief phone conversation a few years ago, because how they have been doing was obvious evidence that she MEANT it.