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  1. I don't drink the stuff...never have more than a taste once every few years to confirm I don't like it...although I was in charge of the coffee crew for a while at Emporia. (maybe that is what Hope means about writing off that time on her current thread).
  2. SD...one of the 49 states that DIDN'T elect Jesse Ventura.
  3. Hmmmmm....so what was it about those Emporia months of that last year...you know...the ones you had to spend with.....
  4. OK, not bad, a "relatively" short jaunt across the state on I90.
  5. Probably not, finding time is the problem, but I couldnt rule it out. Maybe depends on where in MN; from me it could be 15 minutes or 8 hours...or whatever time it took me to drive to that other falls 20 years ago.
  6. I think I made it; let the rest of it be as good as it has been so far. Okay, better. There must be something to make it great at this time of night. Hey, I don't care what the posted time is, it is still July 5th where I am.
  7. Hey anyone around here know anything about John and Nicha Anderson? They were my PFAL class instructors at Indy...and at one point John said something in a talk we had that got me thinking about the corps. I don't think I ever saw them after PFAL77. Just didnt run into many 7th corps once I got into the 8th...of course Rob Kehoe on his interim year ran the mealtime show while I was at Emporia.
  8. For all the times I have seen comments from people hoping that that thread would be deleted or gone, or that Mike would start his own website, it sure stays one of the most popular threads ever, even if you do not count Mikes posts.
  9. Actually, I wasn't assuming anything; I just know of such a case, and whether such cases are a medium or small or microscopic percentage of fathers, such should be honored in any all inclusive honoring such as Fathers day. Of course, not everybody makes the honoring all inclusive, and some of the assumption that stepmothers and stepfathers are not as honorable as biological fathers stems from old ideas and stereotypes...this my cinderella example. Of course, the parent/stepparent should also be just as loving to his/her children whether or not they are "biological". I would suggest that this becomes especially obvious, if not critical, to those who are at the same time parents and stepparents, that such distinctions disappear in the home. I know of more than one such case here, although my own is naturally the one I think of. criticize your poetry? No way. Not when your poetic tribute comes from a wonderful personal experience.
  10. While I don't think Pirate's post was excluding stepdads, many of us probably need a reminder that they are just as real as "real" dads. One thing that bothers me about the story of Cinderella is how she lived with her "evil stepmother". I guess they figured it would be bad PR to have her living with an evil mother...but that seems to say that stepmothers (and by implication stepfathers) can not have the heart that "real" mothers (fathers) do. One thing, perhaps instead of describing it as a situation in which the "real" father left, it could be described as one in which the "real" or "first" father is gone, to account for those who take over in the difficult situation in which a previous loving father has died.
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    8th Corps

    Maybe they didn't want to give you the recognition if you left on your own before they had a chance to drop you. I never had to worry about that because I didn't make it to graguation. Was put on LOA during my final year and went through the deprogramming. Wonder if I would have made it back like one of my 8th buddies who was put on LOA, came back and graduated with the 9th corps. Anyway I of course ceased to exist as well; became one of George Orwell's unpersons. The irony of that is that during out first residence year we had our branch pictures taken and they eventually were combined as part of a corps gift with presumably the 8th corps along with those 6th who were with us at the time. But I did not make it into that picture, as they were taken while I was laboring away at the Texas farm.
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    8th Corps

    Jardinaro was probably referring to the Waydale documents section of Greasespot. Waydale preceeded Greasespot; it was what was around when I came onto the ex-Way scene back in 1999/2000. Funny, took me 20 years to find out anything about TWI after I was yanked out; now I feel like an old hand on the scene. Old of course referring to time on the scene, not age...I get enough of the age jokes from one of my sons. Anyway, for example, Go to Waydale documents, PDF format, and you can find the old DFAC lists among others. Of course, again these are not real real recent I guess.
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    8th Corps

    Finally another body admitting it. There used to be a few others around, but they seem to have drifted out, except for me and Littlehawk...and now you. If you care, my e-mail is still smile092850@hotmail.com and I pretty much reveal all. If you don't care, my e-mail is still smile092850@hotmail.com
  14. I have been pretty quiet on this thread. I don't feel like snapping at everybody, as this pmatf has plenty of shortcomings of various types. I have been quite dissapointed by some of the posts, but then I have been so by myself at times. Neither do I feel like snapping at one side or the other when both deserve it (or don't deserve it if you will) roughly equally. Yes I made a couple of exceptions quite some time back, but I dont feel like it now, unless you consider simply posting to be an exception. All I want to say now is that Dizzydog has come the closest to saying some things that I feel, though of course he is the one who said it.
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    8th Corps

    OK, every few months I must lift this thread temporarily out of obscurity, on the thought that there may yet be someone else around.
  16. Was the name changed from Vollmer to Uncle Harry during the 7th corps first year residence? I know it was Vollmer when I was corresponding with a 6th corps friend there...and it was Uncle Harry when we (8th) started. OK, so this is a nasty way for an outsider to steal the 100th post on the 7th corps thread.
  17. For some reason I am in a celebrating mood today...of courtse it could be because today is my 18th...and that is NOT birthday, heh heh. Maybe it is partly because I sometimes think of a 7th corps named John who was my PFAL instructor...even if it wasn't you. Maybe it is because after noticing your relatively prolific posting as of late, I regret missing residence time with you (I was 8th). Maybe it is because of my personal like (no reflection on others like me who don't do it) for someone as open as you...revealing your real name so often. (Actually I do the same in all personal correspondence). Maybe it is because at the times I have disagreed with your posts, ny thoughts are mellowed by the above. Or maybe (for real) it is just because I am trying not to sound like an automatic, obligatory birthday wish...like the computer at the local YMCA that starts playing "happy birthday" when a member punches in on the appropriate day. But I DO really want it to be a good one for you.
  18. Anyone who crosses over the Mississippi on foot deserves a happy birthday! OK, so it's bigger than our little stream. But hopefully not as big as the smiles this day brings you!
  19. Hey, it's TODAY!!!!! Happy Birthday!!! How about a smile for each year. Lemme guess... :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> Close???????
  20. Sure you didn't mean wrong? Because you can sharply disagree with someone...believe they are totally wrong...and still have respect for them and their opinions. I go through it a lot each spring and summer in an example I will spare you..for now. But to consider someone's opinion worthless is to toss any small measure of respect IMO...and hardly goes with "nothing personal".
  21. I gues what Hope was trying to say is that through the TWI experience many want to be committed to something. That can be dangerous, as we see from her PTA experience.
  22. Garth, I actually see consistency in Hope's original post. She seems to define a cult in terms of what it was like in her life...whether it be TWI, or PTA. She defines it in terms of HER experience and not someone else's. It leaves open the possibility that either the TWI or the PTA experience may not be a cult in someone else's life. Anyway, I see a lot fewer problems with that definition than with the one that imposes the definition for someone else's life...that is, "you were in a cult and under mind control and if you believe you are/were not, you are just being waybrained"...or "PTAbrained."
  23. Knowing some of the posters here, what exactly is sooo wrong with not throwing away a lot of good things I have learned, when I've ended up healthier by doing so? I certainly have seen it on other threads recently; one in particular I am thinking of. Rather than give respect to someone's decision that something learned in TWI is right; someone basically said, well that's all right, it is each one's decision, but they are "waybrained". That, I think, accoring to the way the phrase is usually meant, is saying that someone had not made their own decision.
  24. Garth, regarding your "catch phrase" post...the mutual admiration society it is related to is as alive and well as ever...you should take a look at the other end.
  25. sigh....yes, don't we all need someone to trust in. I think you are making a good choice...trying to build that trust in God. Maybe I, as you perhaps, am finding out the hard way. Maybe I have trusted in people too much. But maybe that is not the best way to put it, as it may imply the primary problem is my friends not living up to God's standards. More like, my standards...that I am expecting from people what I should be expecting from God. The just dropping out of what had been a very close friend, or so I thought. The change in another who said, "I'll always be there for you", followed later by "my table is full". Or the preparation to writing a couple friends on an important matter, only to lose the hear when I discover that one is involved in frequent ridicule, which I dont like, even when it is of others. It is hard, though, to think lowly of them when I look at the ways I get off base. I will spare you the list for now. What has this to do with this thread? Well, the reason I don't like the "cult" label, for TWI or anything, has nothing to do with bad things happening. Let the testimonies be given and stand on their own. I will not deny those testimonies. But suddenly in "cult" mode, everything good becomes an accident; everything done is because of "mind control" or "waybrain". Such as recently when one poster described someone in the past doing a rather unlikeable thing; this poster had to describe her attempt to help this person as "the waybrain kicked in". Since when is it waybrain to love the unlovable, to try to help the seemingly unhelpable? But evidently , the cult mentality will not allow a person to have had real heart in TWI, or at best it has to be "in spite of" TWI, lest someone admit we really learned something about the heart of God. One of the above mentioned friends once wrote to me that "TWI taught me how to live" while at the same time "recognized the evil that evolved in TWI". That remains a valuable testimony to me. I guess instead of counting friends, it may help, as Rottie is trying, to "try to build that trsut in God". Or perhaps...to "Turn your eyes upon Jesus"...but that is a song that VPW liked to sing in the last '70s, such as at PFAL77, so it must be waybrain, huh?
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