Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)

[waysider]

2 hours ago, JoyfulSoul said:

Eye witness testimony is perhaps the most prominent evidence used in law courts.

Prominent? Perhaps. Often not reliable, though.

[Charity]

4 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Yes. Many here have talked about it being schismatic. Lots of people left over the issue. IIRC, TWI didn't want people reading it and were ....ed JS even wrote it.

Again, that JS even felt like he had to write it is the whole problem. That grown adults didn't know what to believe about adultery and that they needed clear guidance on the issue is an even bigger problem.

Point taken - thanks.  One way to get rid of a scandal.

[Charity]

13 hours ago, Charity said:

Supernatural Story: Chris Reed Visits Library in Heaven

Jesus took Todd Bentley to the Gates of Hades (Rick Joyner on stage with him)

Mike Bickle: Heavenly Encounter

Rick Joyner

 

 

2 hours ago, JoyfulSoul said:

You're asking if I'm stupid and gullible?  Sometimes.

Eye witness testimony is perhaps the most prominent evidence used in law courts.

By design, the gospel was to be spread by word of mouth.

 

Test your gullibility.  Watch the clips above.  Let me know how you scored.   

[JoyfulSoul]

5 hours ago, Charity said:

 

Test your gullibility.  Watch the clips above.  Let me know how you scored.   

I was there one night when a guy was raving that his back was healed through a Chris Reed word of knowledge.  I've seen and heard extensively from all of them.  I was at the Lakeland Revival when Todd Bentley was drawing International attention.  My first visit to Morningstar was 1997.

[JoyfulSoul]

Jesus was accused of everything.   We have accounts of supernatural stories.   There are a million more.

 

One person saw the Messiah.  Another saw a drunk and a charlatan.   Nothing new under the sun.

 

Interesting the above account of Mike has a lot of Bob Jones's admissions of failures.

[Charity]

3 hours ago, JoyfulSoul said:

I was there one night when a guy was raving that his back was healed through a Chris Reed word of knowledge.  I've seen and heard extensively from all of them.  I was at the Lakeland Revival when Todd Bentley was drawing International attention.  My first visit to Morningstar was 1997.

This thread was started because one specific man (William Barlow) did not want to be gullible about what one specific group (twi) was teaching.  Instead, he wanted his questions to be open for honest discussions.  He learned the hard way that this was something the deceivers and manipulators leading twi did not want in the least bit, so they "upped and awayed" him from the corps training program and demanded that he attend fellowships under one assigned leader so they could control him once he was back home.

Point being is that to avoid being deceived or manipulated by religious people who are out for your loyalty, time, money and ability to think rationally, one needs to gain a good understanding of what gullibility, critical thinking and skepticism are all about.   

 

Edited Thursday at 01:16 PM by Charity

[Charity]

39 minutes ago, JoyfulSoul said:

Jesus was accused of everything.   We have accounts of supernatural stories.   There are a million more.

What proof was there of any of them being supernatural - because a book said they were?

One person saw the Messiah.  Another saw a drunk and a charlatan.   Nothing new under the sun.

This is where critical thinking and skepticism comes in handy.

Interesting the above account of Mike has a lot of Bob Jones's admissions of failures.

Admitting his failures was not something Mike Bickle was interested in doing so others had to out him on them - much the same thing was what happened in twi.

 

[Raf]

I would like to request some caution here: the topic of this thread is questioning TWI doctrine, but if we start getting into arguments for and against the reality of claimed supernatural experience, I am concerned the discussion will no longer be "About the Way" and would instead fall rightly under "Matters of Faith."

I'm trying to head this off now because I don't want people to come back later and say "why did you let so and so atheist say this and not let the Christian say that?"

[JoyfulSoul]

4 hours ago, Raf said:

I would like to request some caution here: the topic of this thread is questioning TWI doctrine, but if we start getting into arguments for and against the reality of claimed supernatural experience, I am concerned the discussion will no longer be "About the Way" and would instead fall rightly under "Matters of Faith."

I'm trying to head this off now because I don't want people to come back later and say "why did you let so and so atheist say this and not let the Christian say that?"

This conversation has nothing to do with TWI.  Skepticism and critical thinking are basic life skills we employ everywhere.   Like most things, some are better at it than others.

[Rocky]

2 hours ago, JoyfulSoul said:

This conversation has nothing to do with TWI.  

Except when one goes to the first post on the thread and clicks the link in that post. It directly references two LONG time twi followers.

For reference, here is that link. https://restitutio.org/2020/02/06/313-questioning-way-international-doctrines-william-barlow/

Edited yesterday at 02:30 AM by Rocky

[JoyfulSoul]

7 hours ago, Rocky said:

Except when one goes to the first post on the thread and clicks the link in that post. It directly references two LONG time twi followers.

For reference, here is that link. https://restitutio.org/2020/02/06/313-questioning-way-international-doctrines-william-barlow/

OK, let me try it again.  This twist into the 'prophetic movement' has nothing to do with TWI.

[Raf]

10 hours ago, JoyfulSoul said:

This conversation has nothing to do with TWI.  Skepticism and critical thinking are basic life skills we employ everywhere.   Like most things, some are better at it than others.

Thank you for acknowledging that the thread has veered away from its original topic so much that it is no longer even in the right forum.

[WordWolf]

Since we're off-topic anyway, a brief link.  Someone asked about the contents of Schoenheit's anti-adultery paper, the one that got him fired for writing.  It's still readable in the link in the "Greasespot Cafe Document and Audio Files" thread.  The link to that Adultery paper is

https://web.archive.org/web/20030219041757/http://greasespotcafe.com/waydale/misc/adultery.htm

You can read, or reread, it for yourself. 

[oldiesman]

9 hours ago, WordWolf said:

Since we're off-topic anyway, a brief link.  Someone asked about the contents of Schoenheit's anti-adultery paper, the one that got him fired for writing.  It's still readable in the link in the "Greasespot Cafe Document and Audio Files" thread.  The link to that Adultery paper is

https://web.archive.org/web/20030219041757/http://greasespotcafe.com/waydale/misc/adultery.htm

You can read, or reread, it for yourself. 

Thx for posting this WordWolf.   Ahh the memories.    Ralph D., Vince F. and John S. three men of honesty and integrity that I always liked and looked up to. 

Little story about John S.    He and his wife, myself and another lady were going out to either dinner or a movie outside of Emporia grounds.    I was wearing what I thought was an obscure cheap cologne called Russian Leather.   Inside the car, John's wife couldn't stop commenting how pleasant and appealing it was.   Sort of raving about it.   I never forgot that!    Another company bought them out and here it is, today.   I have this and wear it on special occasions:

https://www.amazon.com/ELSHA-RUSSIAN-LEATHER-COLOGNE/dp/B0BNWD2PRD   

[waysider]

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