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If I stick around I'll probably read some of it. To me, I don't much care about the plagiarism. If you're calling him a charlatan at least he copied something ostensibly good to disseminate. Larry Flynn was distributing Hustler Magazine. I don't know how much the women are talking about what is now called clergy sexual abuse. It would be interesting to hear first hand accounts about how he operated and the impact on them- and how many of them were there? We're the all females? Seems I remember hearing both he and LCM had RVs that they used for immorality. Don't know if it's true. First hand accounts would be best. What else? Control. A rotten, angry Spirit? I still say I caught on to a more essential message. Make the word your own and grow in your own relationship with God. Talking about VP? OK. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. VP wasn't the main thing for me.

BTW, the GSC is LOADED with a variety of discussions of everything I brought up, and many things I did not. The archives have many threads, the active "About the Way" has some, and even Doctrinal has some.

"Perhaps. However.... in the meantime... in between time, ain't we got fun?" (Emo Phillips.)

Nothing lasts forever 'cept, well, you know, the earth and sky.

Dust in the wind. You're all dying. It's depressing. Countdown clock on your head. You're a day closer to dead than you were yesterday.

Take a step back. You'll see I'm being reasonable. I HATE PLAYING PILE ON. I HATE PICKING ON THE EASY TARGET. I HATE CHECKING POPULAR OPINION AND THEN MAKING CERTAIN I'M ON THE SAME SIDE AS ANY POWERFUL MAJORITY. Actually, If I feel pressure to condemn someone for some reason I don't know, I'm probably going to go against the majority Fine, some of you had your trial. VP was found guilty and subject to posthumous shaming. Fine. No problem. As you said, I wasn't around for that trial. Don't expect me to to simply repeat your findings. Nobody gets beaten into submission on a message board. I'll gladly listen. I appreciate all the effort you've put into catching me up. I haven't heard any defense or counterarguments other than my own. I'll reach the same conclusions as you when it happens or maybe I'll never reach the same conclusions? Bong is packed, anyone want to talk about Jesus?

Statistically valid? 95%

You wished me 'goodbye' or something like that in your last post to me. Better if you stuck with that.

It's exceptionally without distinction.

Is "extremely without joy" a figger of speech? Or is it a Lamsaism? Either one is without joy or one is not. What are these gradations of without?

Do you know enough atheists to come to a statistically valid conclusion that they are without joy? But extremely without joy...

It's been decades, and people defending vpw can still spring a few surprises. You're DECADES LATE to the discussion. The trial began. The prosecutors laid out the charges. The witnesses were called forth. The defense called the women liars and insinuated they were sluts and whores. All sorts of defenses were offered of him. By all BIBLICAL standards, and by enough to secure a conviction in a US court of law, vpw was found guilty of molestation, rape, and all sorts of things. We've slowly assembled his biography, piece by piece, from vpw himself, from twi sources, from eyewitnesses (interviewed by a man who idolized vpw). Court was adjourned, everyone went home. The seasons changed. Years passed. Then he arrives and announces that the trial hasn't even begun. No, you missed EVERYTHING.

I think he was letting me know with who/what I was trying to reason. Knowing that is important, and adds important context to the discussion.

You're entitled to have an opinion. That does NOT mean it's at all credible.

I think we're stumped and I haven't got any more clues. The Thin Red Line As I was watching it the other day I noted the cast. A lot of names but the movie was dirt, not enough plot for me. I can't even fathom what the line read line was. Good thing it didn't win any Academy Awards. FREE POST

Kodachrome (Not the first line) My grandfather and me Around Nassau town we did roam Drinkin' all night Got into a fight Well, I feel so broke up I wanna go home George

I think he was trying to say we can't prove Wierwille was an atheist. He's right. I clearly called it a suspicion and asked whether others think it fits the facts.

Does this post have any meaning at all?????

This may be a great post in a thread called "VPW was Elmer Gantry". (and I liked both men...VPW and Burt Lancaster.) LOL

I'm an atheist. I have lots of joy. I also exhibit the fruit of the spirit in much of my life and have been commended many times for doing "God's Work" (to which I respond: "I have to; He won't). "Atheists are extremely without joy" is a statement of staggering ignorance and bigotry. I trust that is outside your character. Might be best to stick with a subject about which you actually know something

That's really big brush you're painting with there.

A couple moments before work. When the prosecutor lays out the charges that's when the trial begins. Until then, all you've heard are charges. Sometimes atheists are like people describing a bong. Whose is it? Where'd you get it? What color is it? What's it made out of? Idk, idk, idk. I just love hitting the bong. I might like to learn some of that but the color of the bong doesn't change my experience if it. Atheists are extremely without joy, IMO. It's cool to talk about the extremities. Just, while you're doing that, would you pass me that bong?

And that applies to his henchmen and other enablers, too. Including LCM.

Well, remember he taught us to disregard the ten commandments, saying they were "the law" and the law didn't apply any more. The law? The ten commandments are rules for living together socially. Decent behaviour. Respect for God, and respect for fellow human beings. The Ten Commandments are a set of biblical principles that guide ethical behavior and worship. They are as follows: You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Honor your father and your mother. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet. These commandments were given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai and can be found in the Bible in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21 You'll have to look hard before you find one that he didn't break. His God was money. His carved image was TWI. He mocked God. He respected no time of rest (quite the opposite, he pushed people to breaking point). He disregarded his parents. (Interestingly, this is "the first commandment of promise" - “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." And we know he died earlier than might be expected for a man in his circumstances) He didn't physically kill anyone, but he killed their reputations, their confidence, their lives. He killed their genuine Godly ministries, too. Adultery - how many women did he rape and otherwise assault? (some have posted their stories here) Steal? He obtained money and other assets by fraud. He even stole his famous PFAL class and the follow-on classes! Bear false witness? The lies and slander he spread, about anyone he disliked and especially about departing Corps, are legendary. Covet? He sought the fame that genuine ministers had. As the Bible tells us: “Even a child is known by his deeds” (Proverbs 20:11) conveys the timeless lesson that a person’s actions-from childhood onward-reflect character. The verse serves as a reminder that moral responsibility begins early. Wordwolf has clearly set out the deeds of the child, teenager, young adult that was VPW. No surprise what the older adult VPW turned out to be.