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Okay so this has come up in several discussions, so I wanted to put it in a place where cult questioners can find it better. Mainstream Christianity teaches according to I Corinthians 12 - which incorporates Jesus body as an analogy or figure representing each follower as they band together. This teaching would dovetail into his ceremonial handling of the Last Supper - and the eucharist, or "body and blood" of Christ teaching is a common one in Christianity today. It is very clear that Jesus vision as well as God's vision to Paul was of Jesus followers being united together and functioning as a human body functions today with each of its parts working together. Victor Paul Wierwille, and every ensuing Way International President after him, taught and supported the idea of a "household of God". Their logic is since there is so much division in Christianity today Jesus couldn't mean all the denominations since they will never work together. Therefore the logic is the "one body" has to describe a certain group of people, a subset of the entire body of Christ that is inspired by the present truth and moves as one and works together at a very high level exactly like the pulse of the human body with the brain sending signals to the hand and the hand responding immediately. The Way and splinters label this subset the "household of God" and seperate off from the body of Christ in mainstream Christianity practically and organizationally. The Way Presidents have used this teaching to set themselves up in the position of Jesus as the head of the body of Christ, and to have complete authority over this "household of God" including the expectation that they respond quickly like the human body does. They ignore considering and discussing other Christians in the body of Christ. They work with no other Christian organization. They consider no other Christian input. They have a little closed system they have built for themselves where they have absolute control and are accountable to nobody. This teaching and functioning is ANTICHRIST. Why? Every single implementation of it sets up a single person or small elite group of people as the intercessor between the follower and God. There is an inordinate amount of control. There is the crossing of boundaries in lives. There is the using of people for their own ease. People aren't free to make decisions for themselves and their families with God and Jesus, they have to obtain approval from overseers. The logic is "since we are all one body, why wouldn't you want to share these things?" and they use good words and fair speeches to cross boundaries and control people and their finances and futures. ANTICHRISTS So folks you heard it first here on the 'SPOT. THERE IS NO HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. THERE IS A BODY OF CHRIST.

Freedom from the way international cult..........never grows old. Freedom of thought.......to explore the world in which I live. Freedom of speech........to disagree, or agree and explain why. Freedom of religion........or have no religion at all. Freedom of the press......er, GSC. TWI and the Splinters hate this site. Freedom from public character assassination......without representation. Freedom of privacy.........and fellowship and associations of my choosing. Freedom from mandatory meetings, meals and yell-fests. Freedom to be me. This list could be endless. The more I think about all the harassment and spiritual abuse that I put up with in twi.............I cannot believe that I stayed that long. The cult puppeteers were daily pulling the strings of what was spiritually important each day. What a load of BS. And, to this day......there are dozens of splinter groups that still idolize wierwille as the grand wizard........er, great one. Deceived and deceiving others. What a delusional way to live. Freedom. Fresh air. Life.

Yes skyrider. The beauty of the open sky and the 4th of july. Freedom. Family. Friends. Food. The freedom in the mind and life are so extremely valuable to me and so enjoyable and a time to note the contrast between now and the enslavements of the past in the Way. I've changed the direction of cult involvement in my generation and my family. Peace and love to you and yours this holiday week where we celebrate freedom. I'm very very thankful for my freedom from the Way, from my old fake friends, from my old lifestyle of conformity to sick people's rules, from bondage. Prisons of the mind indeed enslave beyond brick and mortar prisons. Now it's time to enjoy the rest of our lives. Fresh Air Life It's Good

Humans have a tremendous capacity for not only evil but to actually care about one another and do good. You see splashes of it here and there. The way I find Christians that actually care about people is to show them I care about them unconditionally first. If we can change ourselves we can change the world. Dude, totally. Even the term "earthly family" if you think about it smacks of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. "I have to go make a phone call to my earthly family". It leads to so many questions: Why? Were you abducted by aliens and they adopted you? Do they have shared custody? Will you get sufficient reception for the call on your tinfoil hat or do you need to use a cell phone? Do you think the alien spaceship commander will approve the long distance minutes for your call to earth? LOL.

Yes, it was Katrina. "Devastated" is a dramatic understatement. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Chockful's original post for this thread hit the nail squarely on the head and drove that nail home in one powerful swing of the hammer. The elitism and pomposity that dogma generated in Wierwille's cult comes very close to actually being the root of all evil. But frankly, I believe it's not much of a logical leap to suggest that it was Vic's love of money and adulation that "inspired" that dogma.

Anyway - how many "households" are there in a body? My body, and doubtless yours, comprises blood, skin, bone, various soft tissues (and harder tissues), arranged as fingers, toes, lungs, etc. But my body, and doubtless yours, doesn't have any "households." It's just ... a body.

So thankful for the outstanding Christians that I have encountered in my church, the parent church, the local abbey (traditional main city church). and the very many people I've encountered through Christian organisations I'm involved with. There are so many ways to learn from each other (and preaching in church is only a small part of it) and so many ways to serve each other and the very much wider community. I wouldn't want to pull any elitist cards over them; such tremendous people, I'd prefer to emulate their heart and commitment, not "lord it over them." Oddly, there are some that think that about me, too! (Now I know they must be lacking in role models!). Try checking out this verse in other translations: and also this: Sorry, I missed the elitist bit that shows that the "household" gets to be the superior part of the Body of Christ.

Not in the Victors.

Would it be similar to the use of term "earthly family". Because, nobody out there would understand what you meant if you said "biological family". *Cues Burning Bridges by Singing Ladies of the Remnant of Old Drapes*

Anti(against)-Christ. Indeed Chockful! Indeed.

Perfect! I didn't even need to read more. Now I completely agree with you.