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Penworks, Just came to say how much I appreciate your openness in sharing your story. I read your book this past summer and it was very eye opening. I grew up in the way (born in 85) and left when I was 20. My parents and brothers are still heavily involved, one being in the corps both in OH and in CO. For those who have escaped and still have family members, the truth can be hard to navigate. I often feel I may be too dramatic or overthinking what my childhood was and who I was surrounded by. Reading your book and connecting with others is so validating. Thank you for being honest and sharing your story so others can work through the healing process.

I’ve seen them a few times back in the day when Peart had a big u shaped setup and a gong, and more recently he had a rotating kit half skins half electronics and he switched back and forth in his solo. One of the few true masters.

Along with the tasty licks of Alex Lifeson and the best live drummer I have ever heard live on the planet earth Neil Peart - so tight!

I think Rush’s other song is more relevant here: Today's Tom Sawyer, he gets high on you And the threads he invades, he gets by on you And what we say about neuroscientists Will have some Grease Spotters throwing big fits

a most excellent post ! thanks! here be the lyrics: There are those who think that life has nothing left to chance A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance A planet of playthings, we dance on the strings of powers we cannot perceive The stars aren't aligned or the Gods are malign, blame is better to give than receive You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand The cards were stacked against them they weren't born in Lotus Land All preordained, a prisoner in chains, a victim of venomous fate Kicked in the face, you can pray for a place, in heaven's unearthly estate You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill Each of us, a cell of awareness, imperfect and incomplete Genetic blends with uncertain ends on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill

And if you've described them recently, why are you wasting bandwidth repeating them And for thousands of years there wasn't scientific method? All you still have is words. I didn't notice any numbers or scientific measurements in your theory. I also haven't heard any numbers orb scientific measurements when you've explained your theory. So all you have is words. So they have nothing but philosophy and a few half baked theories, also. I'll wait for the movie. You're contradicting yourself again. In the third quote you claim modern neuroscience hasn't done this yet, this referring back to scientific measurements and numbers. Then you say Churchland was updating with brain data. Yah, and still all you have is words. Denial is more than a river in Egypt. Just look at the length of this rambling post.

Some of you know that in 1987, I escaped the fundamentalism and cult control of The Way International when I drove away from TWI headquarters in New Knoxville, Ohio, and never went back. I don't intend to return there in person. However, by checking in here at GSC every once in a while, I end up revisiting, by way of people's memories and documented facts, some of the terrible problems that issued from cultic beliefs and behaviors of Way leaders and some followers. I also rejoice in much healing. Your stories are important and I thank you for them. Today, I watched the televised coverage of Cassidy Hutchinson give her testimony of what happened behind-the-scenes in the White House leading up to, during, and shortly after the insurrection at the nation's Captial on Jan. 6, 2021. What struck me was how powerful a calm, fact-based, and as-best-as-I-remember personal testimony can be. Likewise, personal testimony here at GSC by former followers who tell the truth about what happened to them while associated with The Way can and HAS helped people understand the dangers of cultic manipulation. And I KNOW it has helped steer some people away from The Way. Some of them write to me. Some of them, particularly some from my daughter's generation whose parents are still in denial about the abuses of VPW, etc., reach out to me after reading Undertow. Thank you, Greasespotters, for your support of Undertow over the years. I urge all of us to continue telling our stories in a manner that invites thoughtful consideration. It's up to us to inform and to heal former Way followers when we can. Let's lay off any distracting nonsense (that shows up in some threads here) and remember: every word matters.

Recently, a person whose been involved with TWI and an offshoot contacted me after she read Undertow. We had a wonderful phone conversation which inspired me to send her an article about what I did after escaping TWI. So ... here's the link to that article, which is a blog post on my website. Charlene’s Post-Cult Nonreligious Alternative | Charlene L. Edge (charleneedge.com) Cheers, Charlene