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The Word of God is full of crazy commandments that make absolutely no sense at all. Why would someone want to worship such a sadistic god? I cannot overlook a god who would treat his children this way. If my earthly father carried out these acts, he would be in prison and possible executed, and well deserved. "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21) "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) "If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."(Leviticus 26:27-30) "A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2) "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9) "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)

I would wager a bet.... that nearly 70% of in-residence corps back in the 70's were broke "mother truckers" as well.

So, vic.... how do I get to this more abundant life? My friend told me that in your foundational class, You stated that "you looked around and saw others who were living the more abundant life MORE than Christians".... so what did you see? Nice, big homes with new cars parked outside? People flying to faraway vacation spots and sitting on sunny beaches of white sand? Businesses expanding with cash flow and inventories? What are the steps I follow? I need to faithfully attend twig fellowships, huh? Why can't I just buy the Orange Book? Oh, so it takes a person two to three months of indoctrination.... er, attending fellowships regularly to acclimatize and absorb the teachings? Then, jump into the next pfal class in my area. And, once I take it... it's free for anytime I would want to take it again? Why would I want to take it AGAIN? Then, there's an Intermediate Class and Advanced Study Classes on select topics. So, I need to go thru all these Levels to get to the more abundant life? Well, how did other people, your neighbors and other Christians get there WITHOUT TAKING THESE STEPS? Slow down with your sales pitch and please answer that question. You're still talking.... and not answering. Yet, to reach full spiritual maturity and operate all nine of these manifestations I've got to take your Advanced Class at headquarters? What headquarters? Why is there a building of administrative people there to help serve what seems like a simple task? Hundreds work there so they can help me thru the steps? And, there's a magazine and sunday service tapes? WOW... so, classes teachings, magazines and programs sound a little complicated don't you think? Oh, and you want me to give 15% of my income while I do all this stuff? Oh, REALLY..... I'm required to give you this 15% for the rest of my life? [Walks away].... what a scam !! .

You nailed that one, for sure. There must not be adequate discussion on the website for people to give Mike even a second glance. Mike and Bolshevik are like two peas in a pod. Ignore them and eventually the silence will chock them out.

Sooooo----God is a car mechanic now. Who knew? He probably should have done a better job fixing the brakes on the car that squashed that poor little boy. Too bad it wasn't in the budget. He had to save some power for that lady's fire engine red drapes. If only she had settled for something in a more neutral color, there might have been enough power left for both jobs. Why, if I was a bettin' man...

Yep. Boy, golly, does it ever! Sounds like victor paul wierwille and his oily-headed seed boy, loy craig martindale.

“It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves.” Frank Kafka, The Trial (Hey! I didn’t write the book.)

I’ve got the solution. Dashboard Jesus has to go on a budget. These are hard times.

Yeah I remember moving in to an apartment my FIL asked if it was government housing lol. We were sooooo broke. There was this one ex Hells Angels biker in the complex with a destroyed knee with a big old Cadillac he used to give me rides to work in when my car broke down. They did a spaghetti night Thursday and invited everyone in complex over. Tommy and Lisa. She did hair too for free or cheap. They were so sweet. Never interested in or involved with TWI. Good people. Good times.

Isn’t this already published in book form called “Lifelines”?

Bottom line is Mike is admitting that what the way international teaches on miracles doesnt work and he wants to blame others for it's failure.

Hey Ron.... what steps do I have to take to be an Operating Thetan? So that I'm not just confined to a single lifetime.... where is the bridge I cross? Oh, you mean to say that there are several Grades to the Bridge and a list of processes that auditors should run on me? No, no.... I just want to get to Going Clear as fast as possible and beyond. What? I have to be cleared of auditors review of past lives I've lived? But I don't care about those.... I want to get to the Thetan Clearing so that I can explore new life outside my body. How much for each level? So, it depends on my review and auditors determine my path to scaling each step. My girlfriend is at Level 5... so can we hurry up so that I can be processed to join her? So, whatever Level I'm at... nothing really works until I get to the next higher level?

I thought God's ability always equals his willingness [on a related subject, we need a top 5 list of objectively stupid Wierwillisms].

You make a good point, Rocky. In fact, there could be some pretty odd conversations between different Chat programs. Would they "realise"?

Levels? Not yet achieved a certain level? How Scientology of them. LOL You've got to get to Level 8.... Going Clear. So, pay up Bud. You don't get to pass Go.... until you pay another $5,000 in tithes, offerings and fees. And, that's still no guarantee that you're getting Full Spiritual Maturity Status. Heck, there's corps grads who've been around since 1972 who haven't gotten there. Wierwille used to hold the final say-so. Now, it's kinda a relic of the past. But it's still there; a ghost of the pastl

No. (Misread it.) George

Hey! I didn’t write the book. I didn’t coordinate the music. Did you see The Omen? Cookies don’t lie. It’s true, even if you don’t believe it.

I do not begrudge you any of the points that you mentioned. And for what it is worth, I think Mike is off his rocker. But are you unable to see how many Jews believe that christians have their scriptural and spiritual systematic theology completely out of whack? Do you have any idea how hard they laugh when you look at their scriptures as prophecies of Christ? "A virgin shall be with child"? "He shall be called a Nazarene"? "Out of Egypt I have called my Son"? Jews laugh their asses off when Christians claim Hebrew scriptures are prophecies of Jesus's life. They know their scriptures. They know it's not true. They look at your theopneustos claims for Paul's letters and Matthew's plagiarized gospel the same way you look at Mike's theopneustos claims for Victor Paul's articles and plagiarized books. Biblical and systematic theology? They think yours is just as goofy as you think Mike's is.

Its also another majorly stupid policy for running Lord knows how many people the heck away from the way international. They just can't seem to get it right. They bums rush and policy as many people out the doors as they can then send a postcard asking people to come home? Head trip...no?

Crazy you should mention that. I mean a lease is a contract to pay each month what is owed in full, thus qualifying as debt, but a lease has a stated term and that term is typicall short. So it really couldnt be that it was "debt" in and of itself that was in the directors craw back then. Im thinking it boiled down to dwindling numbers in the way corps and way disciple, or whatever other outreach program was running at the time and a "prevailing" reason given by those who were pressured but declined to participate is "well,I cant just up and leave my mortgage." And onwards it went...I dont know that for sure, its speculation. But I have learned that most times with these bone heads that once you have enough pieces of the puzzle you can pretty much figure it out.

There is NO doubt in my mind that there is an unwritten directive to .... STAY OFF THE GREASESPOT WEBSITE. It would fall under the same coded-language, unwritten, as their mark and avoid policies.... which together, these fall under the umbrella of damage control. That's how twi survives. They have to employ *damage control* tactics in order to keep their people at a trickle exodus rather than the more aggressive stage of a torrent exodus. Individuals leaving here and there is (what I would term) "expected standard operating costs." They have a certain attrition rate that they maintain and are comfortable with. It's the big potatoes that they are concerned about.... big names exiting and taking swaths of their state with them. THAT cannot be allowed, and isn't. Therefore, the unwritten directive to stay off the GreaseSpot website is in play. They know it is. We know it is. This is not some scavenger hunt like Where's Wally? We know where Wally is.... he's discharged an unwritten directive to all corps to monitor who's going to GSC and when found out, confront the individual(s).