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Did he, though? Much of what he expounded had been passed down through oral tradition.

Back to this topic about the benefits of GSC. I ran across this quote by Nelson Mandela: ”For to be free is not merely to cast off one’s chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others” To me GSC has provided a platform for that.

Didn't know I couldn't see light or feel love...

But you ARE in love with the collaterals, which is bibliolotry.

(sigh) Mike, you had a Bible. You found it hard to read. There are many versions, including Janet & John type versions for very early learners and those for whom English is not their first language. You had a Bible. Yet you never thought to read Acts, or the epistles? Sounds like you didn't bother with the gospels, either. Just what, if anything, did you read? And now you're stuck in Janet & John book 1, the simplest reading book, aka the blue book. (sigh)

I thought God is love, spirit and light so now hes print on a page? Not!

I wonder if this approach might actually make a substantive difference in undermining Victor Wierwille's bibliolatry enterprise (aka cult, subculture, religion or whatever anyone else might want to call it). Wonderful (IMO) contributions to the cause from John Juedes, chockful, Nathan, Old Skool and others to what may be incremental but necessary efforts to break through the "heliosheath" so to speak of our current understanding of God and spiritual matters. Sure, right now we still see as through a glass darkly, but how much more can was come to see/know before the "gathering together?" Let's together foster our curiosity.

That in itself is questionable because it's written in plain English I received deliverance of all things Wierwille...your letting a false prophet define scripture for you.

The Juedes videos are excellent, succinct, and so… so… accurate. To your points: 1. Bullinger, Stiles and Leonard have their own problems, and what little is left after removing them is the worst of the worst. The invented bullshonta, baseless PI, and illogical fantasies are all that remain. 2. As Charlene has documented, the transcribers were pulling their hair out cleaning up the abject error and stupidity of the recorded “sermons.” In spite of these efforts the collaterals remain rife with error and illogic. 3. This “method” is so devoid of integrity, all that can be said is, Mmmmph.

“Where are you going to find God's written Word, outside the collaterals, where it is understandable?“ This problem merely appears to be difficult, but the math is simple: YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou+YourBelieving =

“Now people will listen to me.” Probably got that vp quote wrong. Someone knows. A little help?

I’m guessing “collateralolatry” would also be a problematic similar term?

Or, for something completely different along these lines, there's a very compelling argument for doing away with bible study altogether in a "shocking" book called The End of Biblical Studies (gasp!) by Hector Avalos, PhD. Prometheus Books. 2007. Just sayin … there is an alternative viewpoint for those interested in questioning the value of continuing to hammer away at biblical texts in hopes of recreating "the original." Even if we did reach that goal, what would we have? A text that still contains contradictions (four different viewpoints in the 4 gospels), violence against "unbelievers," in the Hebrew Bible, condemnation of homosexuals, subjugation of women, etc. Just sayin … let's take a look at bibliolatry and get honest about that. Perhaps this is a topic for the Doctrinal thread. Sigh …

I have no idea on how it was received. IIRC, circa 1980 or so IBM was working on the lightweight Selectric "ball" or 'typing element" with that alphabet. Then the PC came out circa 1982 and bye bye you wonderful Selectric you. I just looked. It seems that many Academics like it, though they are aware of it's origins, and that old "Father, Father, for this purpose was I....." was translated per vpw in Piffle. DETOUR: RE: Dominionist Theology: what a CROCK of poo-poo. If those Dominionists are in charge in anything in this future Kingdom they speak of (Millenial Kingdom) or get any authority, then I will tell Jesus personally to count me OUT! I will stay outside those walls. Rhema Words??? Good gravy....even further out on the edge of the Bell curve than twi. Speak the Words of God from your Spirit, and it will come into being. These words are special Rhema words....not Logos words...huh? The more of us who do it then the more effect it has. Hence, IMHO, that's why one can see this on FB and the like. I had respect for these folks at one time. Great respect the folks that now believe that crap and even "suggest" that believers names might be written in the Stars, too. And, maybe even learn what your Ministries are if you run your birthdate on our little program....for a fee...levels I- III. Guess who owns the Program? Another quietly uses this Program as a way to help one recognize and free-up your Ministry areas. Each level up, more detail, more bucks. Not much....but, why? More Ethelbert taken as Gospel. And, thanks, all you Dominionists, for creating another Class struggle, as you use your superior wealth and connections to influence OUR Country and World politics so that all will comply and submit to you, and more, in His Holy Name. I thank you for showing me publicly your true thoughts and loving ideas- DOMINION over us all....in Love, of course! For Him, most certainly indeed. Bunk. Go reread the Gospels, please and thank you! Back to the thread.

if you don't believe that the bible is godbreathed, then there's no problem