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generally it is only what you want. Old Beatles song.. trying to remember. I am proud to babble along.

Good byes are hard.. maybe they are just hellos disguised.

sometimes.. psycho babble is the best that we have in this life.. as the world turns, the happier times are when I remind myself that it all is not really relevant at all. Generally. In ten thousand years, the massive rock will still block the newest highway development, unless they can come up with enough dynamite, or blasting powder.

I don't know if you want my reply here.. there are thousands of us.. it is at least as the last moment I checked.. the Devil's domain.. pretty bad. I spit in the the Bosses face at least once per morning. And at least once the night before.. .... the Boss. Let's see what the Fixer of replies does with my F word..

What we need.. heh. At the end of the fiftieth page, a brief summary.. What the hell are we talking about here.. heh Don't you know? Nope. Looks pretty interesting though.. God Bless you dear Friends..

Just saying.. take the abortion issue. The Fundamentalists regard it as a work of the Devil.. TWI- Disagree. It has its uses- especially if a possible son of a man of God is to be illegitimately born. Well.. that was the Old TWI religion. What does the organization think now? That is just... the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

A lot to quote but- I really don't agree that TWI was ANYTHING "fundamental" in the Christian arena. By no means.. Other than a claim of being such. We'd have to go into the abortion issue here.. and politically it is probably forbidden. Plus another half dozen issues.. TWI fundamental.. I don't think so.

The hard part of this- after 14 pages one must spend probably 14 hours reading and researching to contribute what is the word.. meaningfully. I prefer short cuts. Read the first page, the second.. skim through the next to last and last page.. If I could really retire, I would do better here. OK. So.. One does not really lose one's religion. I think that we are supposed to actually improve it. My opinion. So far- I have seen no improvement over Matthew 22:37ff. Just a lot of justification why not to do it- yep.. got our reasons and all. We don't have much time to straighten ourselves out here.. life is but a vapor.

My favorite reference to legitimate Cosmology.. heh

"Deconversion" sounds a heck of a lot like "deprogramming". One cannot abandon the support that the last step of the ladder afforded one.. sorry, you really were not there..

Dear Friend.. I agree. At least supposing that is even possible.. the old geometers, mathematicians and philosophers were very wise- they left the fundamentals pretty much undefined. Want to change your world view? Go right ahead.. hope that you can come up with something better..

What if indeed..

In a weird sense. Most of the time I say I could give a rats foot about these people.. unless *mr* geer is an alien overlord masquerading as a self-righteous religious zealot pretending to be from this planet (and God knows- he would fit in well..) as a possible human being I might find some care or concern.. heh.

No replies yet.. well I need a little rain tonight. Did you know all of these people performing are believers?

Then if you wish- here is Mrs. Paul Simon on a Thursday Night. Don't thank me all at once.. heh.

For your enjoyment.. the lyrics are ambiguous. Is it- don't dream. It is over or Don't dream it is over..

Well.. it's the best I come up with a Monday night. I hope that all is well with you..

You are welcome at my abode, any time.

I am all for forgiveness as well. Its just- some have invalidated their ministry for whatever reason. Choices have consequences. Now you want spiritual authority over me, again? I am not inferior to you. I hope that you (or Craig, or Donna.. or whoever) will learn this lesson. Do I forgive- absolutely. Will I ever trust again? Unless I see repentance in sackcloth and ashes probably not. I am patiently waiting.. what can I do for YOU. You need to seek me out. Not the other way around. So far I am sitting at this little hole in the wall and hear the grasshoppers chirping..

I have a few theories.. lots happened before what we consider recorded history. So how would one pass down what we now consider ancient knowledge.. it would have to survive the ravages of time. And the amount of labor and effort would (in my opinion) require a common agreement of those who did the labor. The pyramids seem to be date stamped and survived the ravages of time. And explorers are finding pyramids and other structures buried under pyramids and other structures.. I wonder if the older structures are date stamped with current astronomical configurations as well..

I like this.. well.. I'd like some strange sex but I'm a tad too old. Joseph Smith.. Joseph Campbell had a better grip on reality. Follow your passion if you don't have to run over too many other human beings or animals to achieve it.. but what did TWI think.. honestly- I'm at the point that I don't even care anymore. What is more relevant is what do I think.. Or you. Ancient manuscripts.. old creation stories. Where did Moses get them from.. if one accepts the authority of the bible.. perhaps he got them from his early years in Egypt.

I like this- and (without proof) I think that the first account is far more ancient than Moses.. I keep looking for something in this ancient account. I think that we have absolutely no idea that which it is describing.. it's like a translation of an Ancient math or science book that the translator had no clue or understanding of that which it described.. All personal opinion or interpretation of course.

Short (or long?) lived it was.. the conflict that is..maybe.. this deserves another conversation.. does God play games.. and one must set aside almightness to play.. Mike had a pretty good handle on some of this. I should say has. Don't think he is expired yet.

What happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Generally speaking- the Victors of any conflict pretty much write the history. I don't know if there were any victors in this particular conflict..