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sharon.....I do not know what to say....that is certainly humbling.... Thank you for sharing that...like any other parent, i love my child uncondtionally....and to be honest.....it does hurt to hear such "conditional love" in respect to her as far as God is concerned. I do not believe that, still it does hurt my heart, but I continue to tell myself that if those who are so against lesbianism, really knew my daughter, that they would be amazed at what a loving, understanding and wise child that she is. Apparently "her affliction" has made her more compassionate and understanding than some "christians". I am very proud of her, at such a young age, she has such wisdom and understanding. She is such an awesome kid and I feel very blessed to be her mother. Thank you for such kind words.....

Some of these responses sound so familiar though......

Again, that is pricelss......and for everything else there is Mastercard.....

And I don't even know what you are talking about here, unless, you are offended by schools offering this. How would this affect you or your child? You still haven't answered that question. Just don't allow your daughter to read this just as you would not want her to read porn, the Koran, people magazine, playgirl etc. It's still America, you have that right. Why do bible thumpers think that they are the only ones who have rights in this world? ....and for everything else there is MasterCard...

How does it happen NOW Galen?? You tell me. I am confused. You can't agrue with me about shoving it in your faces, because I already conceded that fact. I think that it is as bad as shoving Martin Luther King day down my throat. (no offense to anyone who does celebrate this day or to Mr. King himself, just an example). There is always the fringe element in any class of people. Look at the Muslim terrorists. The fringe element, full of evil. So, I don't allow my daughter to participate - what more would you like me to teach my child as she enters the adult world to make you more comfortable? Don't hit on your straight daughter , or what? You know what Galen? I HAVE TAUGHT HER THAT!! So rest comfortably tonight. If your daughter is straight, I am sure she will be able to handle herself if ever approached. Most teens nowadays, are far more wiser than we give them credit for. And if you have raised your daughter properly (as you saw fit) then you shouldn't have any problems in this respect. I just don't understand how this personally affects you if you have done your job as a parent (which I am sure you have, as I have done). If I had a son who made a derogatory statement upon seeing a "hot woman" on TV, I would lay into him that women are NOT sexual objects. I teach my gay daughter the same. She knows how I feel about her treating anyone with less than the respect they deserve. Especially women, since that is her sexual preference. I teach her not to have sex even if they tell her they love her, not to tell them she loves them to have sex and I teach her about the diseases out there. I teach her all the same things that you teach your kids. ......and for everything else, there's MasterCard......

So what you are saying is that you mentally ascent it, but you are still not mature or secure in your walk to accept it with your heart.....It's still real hard for you to buddy up with someone because you are uncomfortable....or possibly a little paranoid. Come on guys, not every homosexual guy wants to sleep with you......talk about ego -->

excues me.......do anything less

quote: "They monitor my "liver-function-panel" carefully every time I go in. But so long as I have never injured myself or anyone else, or argue with anyone, and my liver is doing fine; then they really can't suggest that I do any less." So as long as homosexuals are having their periodic health check-ups, aren't hurting themselves or anyone else, are not arguing with any one and their genitals are doing fine, then no one can suggest that they do anything different. Apparently you are not able to extend the same courtesy to their lifestlye as you are to your own..... things that make you go hmmmmm....for everything else there is MasterCard.....

quote: "I think a more important question is, why does a woman have a whole yard full of stuff she doesn't need?" This truly is a priceless question...for everything eles there's MasterCard...

Another 5 year old criminal handcuffed..... www.courttv.com/news/2005/0505/handcuff_ap.html I feel so much safer now......

This is a true statement.... I went to a garage sale yesterday, and it took up their entire yard - the men's section was this little area of a blanket and it had little jars full of various assorted nuts and bolts. That was it. Come on guys - give it up Why??

love you too excie -->

One of the biggest alcoholics in TWI was ol' Vic (praise be His Name) himself.....

...Hey you got mad at your wife and maybe hit her? So what..... This is not only a precept of TWI but of other churches also. During some "down time" during my involvement in TWI I attended a home town church for about 6 months. During that time I met and married a man.......just a few months later we got into an argument and he threw a pop bottle at me. I was shocked, and went to the pastor of the church (he had counseled us before marriage) and told him what happened. Unbelieveably, he took my husband's side and told me that I wasn't being a submissive wife.....PUKE..PUKE...PUKE Worse, his wife agreed........ These are the people that think they have the right to judge others? This does border on insanity..........

Yea like the pro-creation argument. Like we need more people in the world. I don't know about you but I thought the whole idea of Adam and Eve was to go forth and produce, because God had foreknowledge of the christ child being born. Well if Christ has been born as the Christian church proclaims, died and arose, why continue to pro-create? Why continue to blame the homosexual for not being able to reproduce. As I said before, adultery and divorce seem to me to be destroying the family more than anything else. Speaking of overpopulation, all them people starving in the desert, why don't we take all that money that we raise to feed them, and MOVE THEM to where they can plant food and feed themselves??

or def.....it could be the self-righteous and condescending attitude that you are currently displaying. Seems like you got life all figured out. Good for you.....

Garth - that is pricelss....

I have to agree with Garth here. This kid truly invaded your son's space. That is not acceptable. Johnny - I would think my daughter would find you a very fine person. I love the balance in your post. It is so honest yet non-judgemental. A very striking balance.

Johnny - I wasn't directing all that at you, so don't take that personally. After my first paragraph I was just opening up other questions.

Johnny: I can appreciate not wanting anything to do with a "gay day". Personally I would not allow my gay daughter to participate in such an event, because practices such as that tend to broaden the gap in my opinion as well as "shove" it in peoples faces" as I have heard you say in other threads and I agree. There is nothing worse than somebody trying to get you to accept an idea that you just ain't gonna buy. Its the same with those here on this thread that want to shove their "christian beliefs about homosexuals" down peoples throats. My only problem with some of these bible quoting responses is I am not sure how a gay's bedroom practice is going to affect a straight religious person. Now the shove it in your face, and marches and special days etc, I can see how this might get people's feathers ruffled. Or the line of thinking that gays are bringing the family unit to brink (I believe divorce is causing this much more than homosexuality). But how does it affect the "individual believer" in his day to day life, that he feels he must bible thump against it. What is he proving to an already, all-knowing God? a God who will meet out his justice at his time? If I am wrong about accepting my gay daughter's right to be who she is, then I will answer to MY GOD for that, not anyone else's, and I guess I will have to take the consequences. On the other hand if I throw her out and dis-own her and come down her, what would God think of me for that. I'm between a rock and a hard spot. I am sure there would be godly consequences to that also. Just some food for thought.....

As an added thought......you know teenagers aren't always just thinking about sex (I don't know maybe boys are - just a joke haha). Just like we were when we were teens, we just loved to hang out with our friends, listen to our music, talk about how unreasonable our parents are being, talk about the other sex etc etc. Regardless of their sexual persuasion, teens will be teens........

Thanks EX10 that was nice of you to say. I think compassion is something that God celebrates. We first moved back to our hometown here last year (July 04). We had been gone for about three years. My daughter started high school last fall. It was very difficult for her to adjust because she had gone to school with a lot of these kids when we were here before (5th and 6th grade) but went somewhere else 7th and 8th. She started not wanting to go to school and calling me during the day wanting me to come home saying she was sick. One day she called and told me she wanted to come home and I felt it was time to talk to her counselor. I left work and went right to the school and we talked with her counselor. In my mind, I was thinking kids were giving her a hard time about being gay. Seems she just missed all her friends from where me moved from and also she was still having trouble accepting the death of her grandmother which happened this past year. My mother lived with us through March of 04 when she passed. She wanted to move back and of course I told her that was not possible because I had a very good job and could not give that up - that my choices to move were right and unfortunately she was going to somehow have to come to terms with that. All this going on in the counselors office and both of us crying. The point being, my mind immediately jumped to her being gay and that kids were picking on her. The parent defense, if you will. I asked the counselor if she felt that the kids in this school would be mean about that. The counselor assured me, that no way, most kids at this school are pretty accepting of others who are considered different in our society. I really think the majority of kids think differently these days then when we were younger. I remember when in my 20's I first learned that a long time male friend of our family was gay. All my life growing up this was always like a "big secret" in our family that only the adults knew. End of story she has adjusted well, once we both talked to her and got her to admit what was bothering her. She merely missed her friends. Don't get me wrong - there have been kids that pass her in the hall and call her derogatory names (dyke, fag, queer) but this does not appear to be the norm. Usually children are programmed by what they learn at home. I have learned to be less offended (except when others just want to spew their hate)and try to be understanding of where other parents may be coming from. The majority of her friends parents welcome her with open arms though. She has had to go work on projects in other kids' home, has been invited to sleepovers, has had co-ed sleepovers here (I monitor well) and pick everybody's sleeping space for the night ;)-->

Jerry, believe it or not I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. I am pretty comfortable with where things stand with my child. Your preaching means nothing to me, your quoting of the bible, your meanings of all the greek words and ad nauseum. I have heard it all before, taught, spewed, spitted...... Ex10 - I apologize if your thread was derailed -one of the reasons I even got involved in it was because of your original question. I think you can see from this thread alone that there are a myriad of ways people think about this subject and your child will probably hear them all over the course of a lifetime. I think Long Gone said it best, treat others the way you would want to be treated, let your kids see how you treat others and tell them why you live the way you do. Some of the best advice and sound biblical advice I have heard on this thread. Jerry - please don't assume it is okay for yuo to use my tag line. Please remove so others do not think that your post is mine.