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johniam - she already stated why she wanted the information.

That is why I was really torn about posting the story (but felt I needed to). I never wanted you to suffer any more than you already have or bring back such memories that would hurt you again. You have always been forgiven in my book and in my heart. But thanks for saying that, it does mean alot to me. I struggled to put it all into context with my Waybrain for years. You know believing = receiving, that kind of stuff. Sometimes now I just see four kinda crazy young people, setting out to celebrate a couple birthdays. Originally when I posted the story, the whole point was that before we hit that grove of trees, God truly spoke to me (I will never believe otherwise). I didn't say he spoke out loud. (This would be good for the thread on what does God's voice sound like). He told me in my heart to LEAN BACK and DO NOT BE AFRAID. He told me that I was NOT GOING TO DIE. I was totally flooded with peace in that second and not one iota of fear in my body. And then boom.... I don't know why, and I was never trying to imply that God chose me over the others to not get hurt. But maybe God needed one of us to be in good enough shape to help the others. The second miraculous thing, was that I was standing on my feet. That was my first concious thought. How did I land standing up after being thrown so far from the vehicle? Things that make you go hmmmmmm....... Love you guy.....

Hi sharon --> It is interesting to see how many have viewed a post, even if they haven't responded. There really is a lot of diversity on this forum as far as posters go. Some have moved on to other "fellowships", some have not let TWI "taint" their love for God and others, others have allowed it to "taint" their thinking and sometimes their responses. There feels like their is a "clicky atmosphere" at times especially long term posters. But that's because most of these folks have been on this forum since the "conception" of Waydale. I say we all just need to remember from whence we all came. If I run into a poster who perhaps seems to be unfeeling of what I post, I just ignore them and keep posting. This forum is for all of us. We were all in the deep "doodoo" at one time. Some people do appear to come on and "sound" like they have it all together now. I say "so what"! You got snickered just like the rest of us.

Medic - I just think you guys over there are awesome.....thanks for all your love and sacrifice. and for everything else there is MasterCard....

Hi mick, Welcome and you've come to a great place to help you get through your anger and your feelings of betrayal. If that is what you want. I know we are all here for different reasons. I like paw's "buns". ;)-->

Hi Tom --> I love you too!! That was the first time I really had the nerve to post any of that at GS. It is something to hear any of the details about after the accident, because that is where I was pretty much cut out for all these years of knowing what was going on in the hospital. When D*** and I were transported to the hospital I waited and waited in the emergency for them to bring in J** and you and you guys never came. I learned later that they took you to a different hospital which was better equipped to handle your massive injuries. I thought for the longest time that J** had died. Did you know your mom and dad wanted me to go see you very badly. Your dad told me that if you saw me, that might help encourage you, that I was still alive, and they didn't want you to give up. I didn't want you to either, so I went. I have to tell you I was petrified to see you (you didn't have a face) but I went because you guys were my best friends and I love you so!! I doubt you remember, but just wanted you to know that I was there!! I guess we could make a list of things that transpired that could be accounted as miracles all along the way. Thanks for sharing that and validating that for me.

I know what you are saying, I was thinking in terms of the "criminal type". It is one thing to defend and act in self-defense, another thing to just take a life to satisfy a selfish lust -->

AMEN

I have always felt that anyone who could kill another person was insane. It seems in today's world we just make excuses for the criminals instead of standing up and for the victims....

Just when you think you have heard it all.... www.courttv.com/news/2005/0524/rape_ap.html

That was rather odd to say. I didn't take Safari's question that way......

I was just listening to MSNBC cable news channel and they have a "reformed" sexual offender on. He is often on the cable news networks during a high peak of child molestations or murders. He seems like you really want to believe him, but there is always that doubt that you could ever trust him. I know I would never trust him with my child or any child for that matter. He did his time, yes, but I am not convinced that our country has a "handle" on keeping track of these guys. Seems like different states, let out different offenders under different standards or laws. This is a good reason for you to be knowledgeable in this area regarding the state you are in. Anyways, he was saying that the viagra does NOT increase the sex drive that is there, just the PERFORMANCE and that is why this is really not that big of a deal. Any comments......

wow MJ that is some fascinating facts - I just read your whole post to my 15 year old and her friend and let them know in no uncertain terms that they better never touch that stuff. I heard also in a 10-week Citizen's Police Seminar that you never again get as high on cocaine than the first timeyou do it. That is why cocaine addicts, do more and more. They keep trying to relive and achieve that very first highagain and it never happens, and they just keep trying over and over.

As of today (a little under 24 hours since the auditor found this info) they have stopped this procedure. Duh. Finally sanity prevails somewhere.

Hey New Yorkers: Check out what your taxes are paying for: www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/23/offenders.viagra/index.html

This reminds me of the time years back where I convinced my mom and dad to attend the rock of ages. We were all in the tent camping area and it had been raining quite a bit and we were up to our "eyeballs" in mud and the wagons were coming along dumping straw out for us. Along comes ol docvic (praise be His Name) with the little Mrs, in some fancy deal they were driving through the tent area. My parents saw it then, but I still didn't. When I look at that scenario now, I can't believe I was so stupid CHILDREN - listen to your parents!! :)-->

oooh Johnny you are so bad! You are cracking me up. Sounds like you graduated from the University of Hard Knocks and you turned out very well. Thank you all I am pretty excited. Shaz - congrats, 2 college graduates, that is wonderful. Mine is psychology major then will enter grad school for criminal or forensic psychology. In the meantime, maybe she can "analyze" me hahaha

As a side-note, do I need to call my fellow**** coordinator and see if I can be excused from the Sunday Teaching Service to go see my daughter graduate from college? NOT

Speaking of graduation, I have to brag a little here....my 22 year old daughter is about to graduate this Sunday from Ohio Northern University in Ada Ohio. So I will be sitting through my very first college commencement....I am really pretty proud about right now. I bought her a new laptop computer and she has no idea......I am so excited to give it to her I can hardly stand it. Sorry to derail, but just had to share that. -->

www.courttv.com/news/2005/0516/harris_ap.html Has our society changed or has it always been this way, just more media coverage bringing it to light?

This was and is the very thing that I attempt to do everyday. I did not realize just how full of fear I was, when eventually I was marked avoided. I was afraid that if I "thought something" then it would happen. If I read a book or watched a show about some other worldly doctrine, then somehow I would get possessed by "reading it". If I took a different direction home from work I would be killed and on and on......such devilish doctrine. I can think about all kinds of things and not be afraid anymore. Finally after 4 years some true healing is occuring. That is why I do not believe the complaints by some of the posters, who say the forums are such repetitive places, or bitter places. Not everyone's "healing timetable" is the same. I spose it depends on how deep the wounds you suffered. Some cuts and scratches only require bandaids. Some require stitches. Yet others require casts and therapy because of the nature of their wound. Some have even died from their brainwashing..... Just thinking outside the box and if feels good.......

Some catholics support gay folks.... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156601,00.html

Now thats toooooo funny Garth.... :D-->

Wierwille Who?

I am not bitter...........I AM JUST WAY SMARTER!! and happier, and more peaceful, and less afraid, and free-er, and more loving, and more compassionate, and more emotional, ....and if any of my stories and/or experiences can help others to escape a very damaging cult....then I will be helping my fellow man....You think God see's anything wrong with that...those of you who continue to accuse GS posters of bitterness. We at GS finally have an avenue to speak out, that many of us were too fearful to do before. If by now, a person doesn't understand that this website (and Waydale) are/were for the purpose of "exposure of a cult" then you are just not getting it. The people that spend time on here to expose TWI (Pat Roberge should especially be applauded) and every other poster because they are NOT BITTER they are ENDEAVORING TO HELP OTHERSovercome a mind numbing, mind controlling cult who are criminals at best "shrouded" in their tax-exempt status. Call that bitterness if you must......and for everything else there is MasterCard....... (note figure of speech "repetitive and" in paragraph 1)