outofdafog

The fundamentalist group touts plural marriage as a key to reaching the highest place in heaven. Now can the woman have multiple husbands? or is this just a man thing? I bet alot of men would feel like they were in heaven if they had multiple partners to choose from of a night

Oh fun, can't wait............ :)

Welcome PAULTONY - :) Would you like a booth or a counter seat? :)

I will not tolerate another person having any sort of power over my decisions, my life, my views, my politics, ANYTHING. whether i succeed or fail in life, that will be my OWN choosing and responsibilty rests squarely on MY shoulders AMEN chief!

No, absolutely no interest in going back..............no matter how much they say they might have changed. I've had enough meetings to last me a lifetime........

Great - after reading the whole thread, I couldn't wait for the ending :)

So what was the decision?? :)

"it only makes sense to give reasons why a certain position is taken. Else what basis is there for disagreeing? " And the reasons should be more than because: * VPW said it so that settles it *PFAL is God-breathed and that settles it We have to learn to use our own minds to think things through. If after you have done that, you still hold your position, then fine. Since we have been discussing these issues on these threads, I looked up the definition of debate: the verb form: Main Entry: 2 debate Function: verb Inflected Form(s): de·bat·ed; de·bat·ing Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French debatre, from Old French, from de- + batre to beat, from Latin battuere intransitive senses 1 obsolete : FIGHT, CONTEND 2 a : to contend in words b : to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments 3 : to participate in a debate transitive senses 1 a : to argue about b : to engage (an opponent) in debate 2 : to turn over in one's mind synonym see DISCUSS - de·bate·ment /-'bAt-m&nt/ noun - de·bat·er noun Interesting that the word is defined as fighting or contending, to contend in words, opposition. These things can sound negative or against the tide, but to contend in words I thought was the most interesting. Considering opposing arguments that's a good one too. I think considering another position is always good. But if after considering and you come back to your first conclusion, that is okay too. I think the key to understanding and compassion is being at least able to consider another argument. I think that helps to make us mature. I thought the etymology of the word debate was neat: from de- + batre to beat To beat hahahahaha - sounds like trying to beat someone over the head to see your side of the issue. Been there, tried that, doesn't work..................

"No --- when docvic passed, the flamboyance, used-car-salesman mentality went 6 feet under." LOL I keep thinking of white leisure suits for some reason.......

Happy Birthday Roy - your insight is very refreshing......hope your day is full of good things.. foggy

I am still trying to tread through all this "believing=receiving" stuff. I know after 6 years out I have to really control my mind sometimes when something negative happens in my life and I want to immediately condemn myself for "the results". Most of the time, I just live life the best I can, thinking basically if I endeavor to follow the 10 commandments in my life (that helps pare it down to manageable day by day application of the bible - without the religious "traditions of man") everything will work out and maybe I can learn some great life TRUTH if I can maintain during the storms of life. "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he" has always caused me to believe the "law of believing". That is the one verse that I cannot reconcile with my newly found thinking regarding the law of believing. I believe they used this verse to propound that. Sometimes I just think it means that we should have a good self-image. But then that would be "private interpretation". Anyways, just some thoughts. The folks that left during the 90's and to the present were really bombarded with "any behavior or thoughts outside of the household will bring great calamity to their lives". This is really a putrid doctrine to have ensnared so many of the wonderful folks. The box was so small and any movement to the left or right would cause the roof of your house to collapse on your head. Sounds rather silly now that I think and post about it, but when you are living in the middle of it, it can really mess with your mind. The control was unbelievable and the freedom I feel now is so free . I love it.

Goey :) Maybe the cat is walking away from all the big dawgs of TWI and flippin' them off with his tail LOL Maybe the caption of the pic should have read How does it feel to leave TWI

I know what you are trying to do Goey - just to goad me......your further sarcasm just proves my point all the more......I haven't tried to be nasty or to insult anyone here.........just trying to understand........but if you can't take that as my heart and intention, then you can't.........I don't know why, because I have never even approached you on a thread or spoken to you for that matter......I always thought your points were very valid and well thought out on your part....... as far as "if the shoe fits" , that is just an old saying that speaks alot of truth and wisdom to me - kind of along the lines of what we were talking about.........funny things about those old sayings, most of them I found to be true as I age....... again the pic...........an all inclusive way that probably everyone at some point feels when they wade into some of the threads....not directed at any person in particular.........just something to make us laugh at ourselves a little.........

The thing that got me thinking and posting about all of this is when the Freud thread came up. It just seemed a little over the top when someone mentioned the Waygb...........and another poster who hadn't posted but a couple times, was referred to as an innie who was a "plant" or something to that affect on a different thread....almost a little embarrasing.......almost like we are a little too paranoid when it comes to new posters or something.........because the idea of GSC being an avenue to expose TWI, we should at least give people the benefit of the doubt.......that is all I meant and the best I can explain it.......for me There are exceptions to every rule and I understand that people have slammed other people in here, I just felt like the overall atmosphere was more the rule than the exception. I didn't mean for it to sound like it is always like that, just seemed lately that way Hey maybe I am being the one that is over sensitive or something......you never know.........that is why I keep coming back.........I learn new things all the time :)

Well I guess I don't have to ask what you meant by those statements Goey....pretty obvious.....sarcasm If the shoe fits, wear it, if it doesn't, don't try to squeeze your foot into it.......... You have just proved my point I just posted the pic..........that maybe we could all laugh at ourselves a little.......bring a little humor into otherwise pretty intense threads lately.......and I was thinking that anybody could feel like the cat somedays.....

You guys are cracking me up

dmiller TOO FUNNY

SELF-CONFIDENCE

As a side thought - the guidelines to posting and conversation are not limited to people that have been freed from the bonds of TWI - all people in life are taught early to treat people with respect just the way we want to be treated with respect. Being polite and considerate when conversing with people is normal behavior, jumping down people's throats all the time is not Are there times that correcting a person is normal. Yes, but someone on another thread said it best, gosh just step away from the keyboard for awhile, take a walk, take a deep breath, anything, and then come back and read the words and see if they still sound like they are being sarcastic and insulting. Then confront or react appropriately. AGAIN JUST MY OPINION

Thanks Belle.....exactly what Satori was trying to say.........sometimes a sentence can sound different to different people reading it depending on their mind set at the time.....asking for clarification is always better and gets away from people feeling insulted and throwing insults back and forth........resulting in a very messy food fight that Pa and his co-workers (moderators) have to clean up afterward........ I too am interested, could have been a compassionate statement of "oh my...look what TWI has done to people....what a shame." "They have been damaged so badly." (Reading that sentence with a mind set of giving the poster the benefit of the doubt - possibly she/he was feeling compassion for people when she/he typed it. Until we know otherwise we can't just take everything so dag gone personally, and jump on the keys and start flinging insults.............

Oh my gosh cool................my mother past 2 years ago in March...........it is so difficult..........but she always told me that she was not afraid and that seemed to help me............I didn't want any pain or fear for her.........she was always thinking of her children to the end........May God bless you and your family.......

As someone else posted earlier, I am at the place where I try to say "thy will be done" every day, instead of this is what I want you to bless God. This is by no means an easy place to be in some of life's situations. Lots easier said than done. If we watch carefully as life progresses in situations that seem dire, if we continue with a humble mindset we sometimes see the purpose..........although in this type of situation that you are in rvrdriver, I don't see a true godly purpose of someone keeping you from the child you bore and loved, and why God would allow that to happen. A peaceful place that I have arrived at, sometimes, after these situations I have found that I have grown and learned alot about life.....think that comes with age too :unsure: and I utilize that new found understanding to guide my children first and foremost through this life............and also try to help others in any way that I can when life seems to be getting the best of them........ Probably not any good answers in all that but just a perspective. Welcome to GSC

If Freud and Jung are watching this site, they must have thought they hit a goldmine of cult dysfunction .......LOL What a case we are (oops what a case I am). I can only speak for myself.

Appears you continue to minister here Galen........... I accept your apology..... Imagine going out on a date when you were 16 with a guy that you thought was really great............and he bought along 4 of his friends................ These are the types of things women have to deal with.......

Abigail - that was so very courageous of you to share that with us - having been through such terrible ordeals in your life when it comes to this subject, it is understandable that you would react emotionally to the type of things that have been shared here by some posters. I am truly sorry you have had to experience these things in your life, and happy that you felt comfortable enough to share your story here. I hope that you begin the road to healing in your life........you sound like a wonderful woman with a wonderful heart. May God bring peace to your life...........