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It's fun also, to imagine what other people are like and look like in real life. I think knowing each other in the "real world" can make someone side with someone else just because of familiarity. I agree with Abigail, time does tell. Even if I don't agree with a poster regarding a subject, as long as they continue to be consistent in their truth that they present, then that trust is built over time and I trust them (even if they have opposing views).

Last Friday going into Sat, in the wee hours of the night, my 16 year old daughter's boss was murdered. In Sidney Ohio it is freaky just to hear yourself say something like this. We are all in shock, and the worst part is the murder was very brutal. And, detectives don't seem to have any real solid leads - although the word all over town is that the usual suspects are not suspects, but they presume that it was someone she knew, not a random act of violence. Last night there was apparently, a home invasion, where the homeowner was physically assaulted and two shots were fired (not clear on who fired the shots). Now at least to me it seems that this is a lot of news for little old Sidney to take in at what time. Today should be interesting when the newspaper comes out, because about two weeks ago another man was stabbed in his home. Not fatal. Now they don't link the first stabbing with the second in any way, but now we have this third. So if you could please keep my daughter in your prayers and our town.........the funeral is Friday and all the teenagers that worked for her are going to be there. All the kids loved her at work and are very very sad. They called her MaMa Mindy. It has been a very sad week here in our town. It will be pretty traumatic for some of these kids. My daughter adored and loved working there because of her. She will be missed.

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GOsh last I was in in 2000, the internet could get you possessed. Little devil spurts jump out of the screen and infiltrate your brain via your ears and eyes or something The Internet affords us another way to share and fellowship. I am surprised they don't claim that the internet is now safer because they have decided there is some profit in it. They saved the world from Y2K you know. .....Or they had to make a viable alternative for their followers who want to go on the internet - and this way they can control their surfing. They are so hyprocritical.

Yep nothing condescending about you is there free? or indirectly (asserting that his/her belief system is THE truth and others are not even worth discussing) ... that person is messing up. Thanks Mark for saying what I guess I haven't been able to say in my last couple of posts. You summed it up better than I.

I said : You are the one who stated that God is working in you to will and to do of his good pleasure here. You said: Only because it’s the truth I say: That sounds pretty condescending to me and nothing more or less than heard from the Way. I hear you saying that God is working in you to save those of us who don’t believe your way. You are here, super believer to save the day. You said: Really? Hmmmm… well, that’s good but I never said anything about saving anyone. I said many here need healing. I’m not acting out of any terrible twi mindset. That’s an assumption on your part. I told you, God is working in me… and I do what he directs me to do …whether anyone likes it or not. I say: Well aren’t you special. Guess God only works in you and us “needy” ones need you to save us from our despair. You said: I did not “assume” any such thing. Where did I say there are no standing Christians? I didn’t. I was speaking of my own experience. I say: You said, when a standing Christian comes on here, like none of us are standing Christians. You don’t know a thing about any of us here, do you? You said: What are you talking about? How would you know what I’m thinking? Aren’t YOU the one who is assuming? I say: You are the one assuming a lot coming on here and stating you are here because God is working in you to will and do of his good pleasure. A little humility on your part wouldn’t hurt. Why don’t you try reading around the site and listening instead of talking. Maybe you would learn something about this site and about the good people on this site You said: I’ve not had anything to do with twi for twenty years and I go where God sends me and I say what I say and I do what I do because he inspires me. (and as far as I’m concerned that’s normal) not because of ego. Where did I say I’m here to save anyone? I say: I think you said it all in the above sentence. And you wonder why I might be offended. Where God sends me…………TWI lingo all the way. If God has TRULY sent you somewhere, you don’t need to tell anybody, it will be obvious from what you share. You don’t have to announce that. That’s pretty egotistical. You say: ……. and I go where God sends me and I say what I say and I do what I do because he inspires me. (and as far as I’m concerned that’s normal) not because of ego. Where did I say I’m here to save anyone? I say: …….so God has inspired you to come to GSC and preach your message. I say BULL CRAP…..you are here to make yourself feel good. You say: Fine! Challenge what I say all you want, but not my right to say it I say: Not challenging your right to say it, just not agreeing with you and that is the freedom I have. My God is big enough to will and to do of his own good pleasure in me. You say: I will assume and opine til the cows come home all I want and I will say what I have to say. I say: Go for it dude. You say: OK so why don’t you ask Him? I never know why He sends me nor for whom. I just go. I say: Ask him what?? Again, isn’t that special that you and him have such a unique relationship, that you never know why he sends you or for whom . Talk about condescending…….. I just go cuz God says I should. What really bugs me is, personally, I think you’re pretty cool and worthwhile to talk with and we gotta waste our time debating this stuff? I say: Hey I am not just going to roll over like I did in TWI and have you tell me that you are here to save us “sinners” from ourselves. And that is exactly how you are acting. You can deny it all you want, but when you start talking about how God wants you at this site because he is working in you to will and to do of his good pleasure blah blah blah,………. You say: I can just hit the road because I am not welcome, even though this is contrary to the stated goals of this board. I say: No one told you to hit the road or that you aren’t welcome. Just that your premise may be rejected or disagreed with. You say: Look, this isn’t going to change. If anyone has any complaints about me they should immediately go to my Boss and complain because He is responsible for my being here. I say: Again, very condescending. You may be here to learn something yourself, don’t assume he “sent you here” to do anything else. You say: “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye, for I cannot but speak the things which I have seen and heard” I say: Oh Please, and that doesn’t sound condescending? Quoting the scripture now.

Hey I made the list this year - Joyce

Perhaps Queen Elizabeth could "knight" him also. Maybe we could get the US Government to put his face on a stamp too! His face could be on the $3.00 bill. The schools could teach about him being "Our Father in the Word" instead of teaching that crap about George Washington being the "Father of our Country". God the possibilities are endless.............

"I understand. Sorry. That’s just how I talk. I said God is working in me, not you. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings." No problem free - all is well. I certainly have been enjoying my freedom to explore God in my own way and time. People 'round these parts are a little gun shy about someone coming on to the board and deciding they are here to "save us from ourselves". I never said anything regarding "save us from ourselves", did I? But I’d like to know… If you really want to know, it is obvious that this is not an offshoot of TWI where everybody sits around and talks about God. Nor is it a Christian site. You are the one who stated that God is working in you to will and to do of his good pleasure here. It is a terrible mind set that TWI put us in, that we feel we have to swoop into any circumstance and "save" everybody from their wrong thinking. My thinking is more right now than it has ever been. even though it says this site is for former twi members at any stage of recovery, even if their still prisoners in the belly of the twi beast yet it appears if someone is a standing Christian with the nerve to actually have something to say, There are lots of standing Christians on this board who have had the nerve to say a lot of things about a lot of things. Who are you to assume that people who post here are not "standing Christians"? What is your idea of a standing Christian? See, these are the kinds of things you are assuming. It may not be TWI type of christianity that you are used to, but it is christianity. And others don't want a thing to do with God anymore. It's not christianity so much, but it is the ego with which you come across to me, that you are here to save us despite us. they’re suddenly not welcome. This seems to me the height of hypocrisy. I’m sorry but that’s how I feel about people telling me “You can’t say that”. Nobody has said that you "can't say that" and everyone is welcome I presume. Hey they let me be here But what you say may be challenged. The point is, don't assume we are all here because we need "saving". What I did say is that “I guess God is working in me to will and to do of His good pleasure.” Maybe I’m right, maybe not, but what if…? It seems, thanks to twi, many here seem convinced in their heart of hearts that God is not there for them. That is the only real issue, not some supposed ego trip on my part to say I’m such a much. The point is, God is here. Well my belief is that God is everywhere. And if there are some here that seemed convinced that God is not there for them, I think God is big enough to work that out with THEM. If you want to do some really neat Christian stuff, then go to your local soup kitchen and feed the hungry, volunteer at your local Goodwill to help cloth them, help the guy at work who needs some help with his electric bill.......these are very humble and fulfilling activities that one can do for God. I guess I shouldn't speak for everyone, I know I feel that way. If you are here to do that, good luck. But don't be surprised if you get some resistance, because a lot of us aren't here for that. Well, don’t be surprised if I resist right back. Honestly, I can't believe such open discrimination is allowed by this board. Don't they stand up for anything? What gives anyone more right to say what's on their mind than I? I just don't get it. Resist away. I am sorry you felt that that means you can't say what's on your mind. Just remember that people here don't have to agree with you. Again, another assumption on your part when you say "Don't people stand up for anything? Alot of us stand up for alot of things. If you stick around you will see that.

"I understand. Sorry. That’s just how I talk. I said God is working in me, not you. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings." No problem free - all is well. I certainly have been enjoying my freedom to explore God in my own way and time. People 'round these parts are a little gun shy about someone coming on to the board and deciding they are here to "save us from ourselves". I guess I shouldn't speak for everyone, I know I feel that way. If you are here to do that, good luck. But don't be surprised if you get some resistance, because alot of us aren't here for that.

That's what I like about this site Roy. It shines the light on the darkness of the TWI leadership and their evil deeds are being exposed by that light. That's what bugs them.

I said I didn't feel good so that I didn't have to go to fellowship one night. Alright there I have said it, it's out in the open now. ME BAD

The problem lies in the fact that many people were freed from many fears and edified in many ways despite small flaws; despite some secrets they may not have known. Darth Vader: Small flaws???? molesting and fleecing the flock, plagarizing, drinking etc..........I hate to see what his big flaws were.

"I dunno, I guess God is working in me to will and to do of His good pleasure" Please don't go there. I have had my fill of people telling me what God's will and pleasure is for my life. I have found over the years that it is usually just other people trying to pawn off their beliefs and lifestyle on me. If you are content with your God and at peace with him, Great, I am on my own spiritual path with Him and am quite content. Please don't tell me your God told you to tell me what to do. Some really good stuff has been shared on this thread, regarding what GSC is all about.

What exactly are you wearing right now? little blue night shirt dress thing What is your current problem? getting overcrowded in my apartment What makes you most happy? my 2 daughters If you could go back in time and change something would you? yes one thing Name something obvious about you: I look younger than I am What's the name of the song that you're listening to? my two little finches are singing in the window Any celeb you would marry? Kevin Bacon or Michael Douglas (if Michael would turn republican) Name someone with the same birthday as you? Linda Z Do you have a crush on someone? no - but I do have a true love that I think of often Ever sang in front of a large audience? no but I did play the tambourine in front of the congregation at the Salvation Army every Sunday when I was a kid What do you usually order from Starbucks? I don’t like Starbucks Has anyone ever said you looked like a celebrity? Cher Do you still watch kiddy movies or kiddie TV shows? yes Disney movies Do you speak any other languages? a few words in French Have you ever ridden in a Hummer limo? no Has anyone you've been really close with passed away? yes Do you ever watch MTV? no What's something that really annoys you? liberal democrats, MTV and born again non-smokers, oops that was 3 things Chapter 1: Nicknames: Jo Jo Current location: ohio Eye color : brown Chapter 2: Do you live with your parents: no but my mother lived with me until she passed Do you get along with your parents: mostly my mom when she was alive Are your parents married/separated/divorced: both are deceased, but married till death did they part Do you have any siblings: one older sister and five older brothers I’m the baby Chapter 3: Favorites Ice cream flavor: moose tracks or death by chocolate Season: fall Shampoo/conditioner: suave Chapter 4: Do You Sing in the shower: never write on your hand: not since high school Call people back: sometimes Believe in love: God’s love Sleep on a certain side of the bed: left side Have any bad habits: smoking - different things …..er...uh…… I mean different brands Chapter 5: Have You Ever Broken a bone: yes - 4 in my wrist Gotten stitches: yes Taken painkillers: yes Gone SCUBA diving: no - not fun - I am a little claustrophobic Been stung by a bee: yes Thrown up in a restaurant: Uh…no but my kids have and I caught it in my hand, well some of it (bet some of you moms can remember this) Sworn in front of your parents: Not really bad words Had detention: no Been sent to the principal's office: no - but got caught smoking outside school by vice-principle, he let me slide Been called a hoe: yeah Been called a stank-foot mongoloid elf-tit lookin' sonofabitch? no, but have been called a bitch Chaper 6: Who/What was the last Person to text you? free ring tones web site What did it say: it gave me my horoscope Person to call you: a tenant Person you hugged: Shelby my 16 year old daughter Person you tackled? I don’t tackle people Thing you ate: sliced ham on oat bread Thing you drank: bud-light while writing this Thing you said: Boo-Boo take a break, and leave the birds alone

Okay, let's see if we can rightly divide this: The new and present spewth: It's not masturbation....... It's not homosexuality........ It's the great "beastiality" purge. If you have a genuine spiritual suspicion that someone in your fellowship is ...uh....er....uh having sex with...uh.....err....uh their uh....pet....please report this to your closet MOG in charge, lest ye shall also fall prey to the spirit of lusting after your pet. Let's see now.......... LCM hated homos..... LCM hated family pets............hmmmmmmmmmmmmm We report.....you decide

"Apparently the new family class the Coulters are teaching spends some time explaining that bestiality is wrong." Is this a major problem that they have to spend time explaining it in a class?

Very interesting thoughts. I think alot of people on the "outside" do look in here and see alot of negativity and bitterness. I always assumed that there was an ebb and flow of new people that came here, so GS needs to keep the objective in mind at all times "which is to expose TWI". I don't know how you keep that balance when there are new people that come here and want and need to release about their experiences. When I first went to Waydale, I couldn't believe how nasty some of the posters were being to each other. I even said so on a thread. But as time went by, and I stuck around, I saw that it really was a liberating thing for people to be able to discuss things openly and honestly. I was still looking at things with my "Way love group think-colored glasses" on. I thought the believers who had left would or should be like all loving etc. like it was supposed to be in the Way. But that is where I was wrong, as GS is not another offshoot of the Way, it is also not just a christian community. Never was meant to be from what I can tell. Now that doesn't negate the fact that people generally on a forum are respectful of each other. So if someone is just being disrespectful or hard to get along with, I just ignore what they post. There are too many good and decent people here to converse with and debate with that don't take it to a personal level. And alot of the folks here are "over it" but they come here to help others who are just coming out of the experience. I kinda look at GS like a support group. I don't know if I can explain it, you just gotta stick around and be open to new ideas and new ways of thinking. Some of us spent our entire adult life in TWI and are just really starting to live in the world that TWI made us so fearful of. Just some thoughts.

(((((((Cherished child)))))))))))))) good to see ya!!!!!!!!

I don't understand how worshipping a man who molested his followers (eye witness accounts) and plagerized other men's work, and a host of other indiscretions (eye witness accounts) could be having a "great heart for God". Just curious Allan, if your pastor was accused of molesting women in your church and proven by eye witness accounts, would that be okay and that anyone who remains stedfast to his doctrine, be extolled as someone "who has a great heart for God". I honestly don't understand.

There was one time during a "loving confrontation" that I did refuse to do what the HFC and his wife were "suggesting". The assistant HFC had a teenage son who seemed quite fond of my teenage daughter at the time. My daughter was dating a young man not affiliated with the ministry and I was allowing her to ride in his car. Previously, the young man in our fellowship wanted to take my daughter out one night. I would not allow my daughter to ride with him in his car. You ask why.....why would I let her go with an unbeliever in a car and not a believer. Well the young believer boy tended to like to drive his pick up quite fast and had rolled it at least twice. But I really got accused, as some of you can imagine, about this apparent slap in the face to a believer boy. I stood my ground though (could be why the second or third time I stood my ground that I got thrown out.) Then as we were all discussing this at the HFC's table along with the assistant, they tried to convince me that she shouldn't date outside the ministry and that she should consider dating the assistants son. I already knew my daughter did not like him in that way. There were no other kids her age to date in our area, except 20 minutes away at HQ and we only went there on Sundays. She begged and pleaded for me not to go along with this. Of course, I did not and never even considered it. That was just going to far over the line once again for this outfit. She did not want to date him and I wasn't going to force her to. Imagine how the assistant must have felt with me having to defend to the HFC why I wasn't going to force my daughter to date her son or drive in his truck. I felt they had really put her on the spot. Made me seem like the bad guy for having to say these things in front of her. Just another example of the lengths these people would go to, to control every aspect of your life and your family's life.

Quote "And, besides the obvious $$$$$$$$$ factor..............I would think that it is really embarrassing to see the dwindling numbers in the limbs, the same faces at sunday teachings, the skeleton corps program, and another foundational class to attempt to boost the paper totals." Ah, dontcha know, these are the faithful remnant.

"Don't be surprised if he finds a fry comming out of the fryer and he thinks it looks like the blessed Mother Mary. " ...and tries to sell it on e-bay lol Yeah loafing, it was like damned if I do and damned if I don't.......got reproved from HFC for not wanting to take her........got reproved from children's fellowship coordinator for taking her and possibly exposing other children to whatever she had.......you can't win with this group.

The 250 mile radius - oh god - I even considered moving lol. I call HFC to tell them daughter is sick and I can't go one Sunday, long conversaton on believing and healing etc. ensues. Soon I am packing her up to go to STS :blink: , she was at the age that she went to the children's fellowship while we were in the auditorium. 10 minutes after I get into the auditorium and settled in my seat, a coordinator from children's fellowship locates me in the auditorium to tell me my child is sick and I need to take her home DUH.......I didn't want to bring her to begin with. DUH she was sick, I knew that, I was her mom, and yet HFC had brow beaten me to take her yadda yadda yadda. I do take responsibility in the fact I didn't stand up to these people and tell them to .... off.

Hahahahahahaha..............