outofdafog

ckmkeon - you are not the first person who has come here and tried to "redeem" us all. I know you feel that is your mission right now. Bring us back to "the rightly divided word". Its okay that we are not in the ministry anymore in your eyes (because apparently you are not either) but gosh don't throw all the PFAL teachings down the drain dontcha know. Doctinal forums are available for you to hash and re-hash the doctrines of the Way. See nobody is left out.

Yes all after all the hoopala of leaving dies down, it can be lonely at times. All of a sudden you are free......hmmm this feels different. I don't have to go anywhere 6 times a week mandatory and I have 10-15% of my income left, and no late night phone calls from the leaders, that you were half scared to answer or sometimes you just didn't I can make decisions for my own life. I don't even HAVE TO READ THE BIBLE. Oh no oh no, the sky is falling! What Martinpuke said might be true..........All my friends were in the way and now no one will talk to me. These are the times that I had to remember all the reasons that I left. Once I could wrap my mind around those reasons again....it became easier. For me though, the freedom was so worth working my mind to get over the fear. And yes, my 2 daughters were petrified that we were all going to die because we got marked and avoided. But somewhere deep down in my heart, I just could not fathom God killing us because we left a religious organization. And I was not gonna kiss their butts to be "allowed" back in. Give me liberty any day of the week...... Probably just rambling now but my life is very prosperous now and my children's lives are full and good. It does get better as time goes by.........but hey I kept Waydale on my screen too in order to get my healing fix for the first few weeks. No harm in that. Thank God there was a place for all of us to meet up again and discuss all of this. Still to this day, after 6 years, I find myself freaking for a sec if I decide to take a different route home one night from work. I find myself stretched out in front of Lifetime movies all day sundays still in my pajamas, a small twinge of guilt but then it goes right by. I deserve a day to rest and do whatever the heck I want. It's okay to take care of you

Well at least Dr. Phil wasn't making me "detail" my vehicle. Anybody remember that on Sat afternoon........lol

How about the one where the orphanage burns down with all the kids in it ......... and then you go out to the old spooky sight and scare yourself silly when you are a teenager .......Ours was Gore Orphange road and that is the place we went in our town......I really did hear those kids crying while dying.....lol.......really I heard them ............

What if you had a dream that Dr. Phil was helping to clean out your car and then you were going someplace with him.....That was all of the dream that I remember, just a couple nights ago......hmmmmm

I am alittle behind on my birthday wishes too. But it doesn't make them any less heartfelt. You always give such good insight into things here at the cafe. HAPPY DAYS TO YOU! Until we post again.......

You are the one person here (and I am sure that others see it as well) who can say the most loving thing in any given situation. You are a real blessing, if I may use that term. I have always wanted to tell you that. Happiest of birthdays to you. PARTY ON!!!

I had allowed a family member to come and live with me. He did attend fellowship a couple of times but flat out told me he did not want to take the class.. years ago he had taken the PFAL and it never stuck like it did with me. It was okay with TWI that he lived with me as long as he showed up at fellowship once in a while and put something in the horn. When they started pushing for him to sign up for WAP he adamantly was not going to do it. He worked second shift and was just getting his life together and didn't want to rock the boat at work. I can understand this. Fast forward to fellow$*@! coordinators (hubby and wife's) house with branch coordinator - 3 against one and voila - you have confrontation time. I knew it was coming because I had seen others confronted for many many different VIOLATIONS. I was accused of being the lowest of the lowest believer - that I was totally going against God's will by allowing him to stay and I literally refused during that confrontation to do what they wanted me to do - kick him out. My brother had been a cocaine addict and alcoholic for most of his life. Since living with me he had been clean and sober for about a year. We were getting along just fine and there was no way that I was going to just kick him out with no where to go - he was doing very well with his job and his sobriety. I felt that when he and I decided to live seperately - that was our business. And I really believed God was working that in my heart, and what they were trying to get me to do was totally contrary to what God was working in me. I of course got the boot and cried on the way out of their house, but can say I haven't cried since about that outfit. Basically I chose to continue to love and stand by my "earthly" brother and this was wrong in their eyes.

Unfortunately no, I am not kidding. Those who lived in the buffer zone - hey we protected the MOG - especially one time when he was filming I believe it was the Way of Abundance of Ego class. We kept the debbill spurts away from HQ.

This will certainly add to their paranoia. Next thing you know they will be building a dome over HQ so no unbelievers can see their secret uh whatever it is they do there now.

We lived 15 minutes away and it was required of us every Sunday. We were told that we live in the "buffer zone" and our actions and believing protected the MOG. By the way, if you got marked and avoided and lived near HQ you were actually told to leave the area and move because your unbelief could hurt the MOG dontcha know. Apparently LCM couldn't even believe for his own protection from the adversary.

hey Lingo - congrats on your daughters achievements. It is obvious that she has a great support system. You have every right to feel proud. oodafog

From the initial post, it did not sound like he was going to actually shave his legs in front of them. Or was he? That would be kinda strange, but I think sometimes we can get too "politically correct" about these things. I really agree that 7 year olds would really just think this was funny. Like dressing up for Halloween. Reminds me of the 6 year old who got suspended for 3 days recently for touching inside the waist band of a female classmate. His mother and others were outraged (and should have been). The mother stated in an interview that she didn't even know how to begin to explain to him what he supposedly had done wrong, because he knew nothing about sex. All the adults were making this big deal out of it and he was scared to death he was going to go to jail. Eventually the school apologized to his parents and tried to put the whole thing to rest. Whatever happened to balance? In our school, the principle kissed a pig one year, one year he let the kids make ice cream sundaes all over him and one year he was in his bathing trunks and got dunked in a dunking machine. The children roared with laughter at each stunt. But I would never second guess any parent if they are uncomfortable. That is still your inalienable right as a parent. And nowadays in the news, you read of teachers taking advantage of children and that is sad and scary. Just continue to be what you are, a concerned parent, but make sure you are not over reacting also. I always like to think about things for a few days, and see if I still feel like I did upon my initial gut feeling - that way I feel like I am not reacting to something that might be totally innocent. Just some thoughts.

Yes TWI2 was like walking a tight rope at all times. Then after the tight rope, you had hoops to jump through at the end. Then when you jumped through those hoops, they changed the hoops and made them either farther away or higher up for you to jump through. There is nothing I enjoy more than waking up on Sunday morning, drinking my coffee, surfing the net and thinking that I have the whole day to myself. I worked hard all week and this is my day to take a break from it all and NOT HAVE TO ATTEND STS. And nobody died because we haven't gone I lived within the 250 mile radius so was required to go every Sunday. It became just like the church service that they so blatantly bad mouthed at every turn. Why couldn't they see it. There were certain dress codes for each function. The service was exactly the same Sunday after Sunday after Sunday ad nauseum. The Singing ladies (church choir) sang before during and after. It took at least 45 minutes of Way BS before you even got to the teaching. The bronze statue of VP out in the hallway, the worship of man........etc etc. and on and on. The chewing and spewing from the stage if someone happened to leave the Way that week. We got to hear about it in the most unflattering light to say the least. God it is great to be FREE..................

that's it !! their afraid if you become successful you'll find you don't need them after all Exactly temple lady. If they "allow" you to get involved in the corporate world and make money, their followers would probably discover just how phony LCM's spewing is and was about his ability to be the leader of a Fortune 500 company.

There is no excuse for Weirwille's behavior toward women. Once he broke that basic trust that these women had in him and took his "teaching" to a sexual level, he lost every bit of integrity that he ever had. To me he is no better than a pedophile who takes great care to groom "his target", which he and his entourage did - he and LCM didn't have to do it personally, yes they had an entourage to groom these women for him. There is NO EXCUSE. I don't care if he was with God in the beginning and helped write the bible..........

It doesn't even cost $70.00 - I do criminal reports everyday and for $25 I can get results of a credit and criminal check that covers 46 states in the USA. But these reports come back stating that the information contained has been gleaned from public records only. I am assuming any type of pedophile activity would be on a public record.

Another idea to prove who had what first, is to take your idea and or name for your idea, write it all down and mail it to a trusted person. Tell the person not to open the letter, but to put it back somewhere safe. You will then have some type of proof, dated with an official post office date of when you had this idea. This works nicely for anyone also who has invented something but has not yet patented it. I don't know if this will win in the over all argument, but at least you do have proper dated documentation if needed.

I run credit and criminal reports on people every day at my job. In our town there are several and as just loafing said, some are 18 year old guys who have had "consensual" sex with gals that were maybe 16 or 17 at the time. Mom and dad find out, turn the guy in to the sheriff, voila, he becomes a sexual offender. Not sure I agree with this or not. But their photo and address are listed with all the offenders no matter what age their victim. I guess the law is the law and must apply to everyone. I asked to be emailed from the offender site every time someone moves with a mile of my complex. There is a street about half a mile from us that has all kinds of offenders living on it. It really amazed me.

Shell - from Waydale to Greasespot - we've come a long way baby. Happy Birthday!!!!!! Get crazy

well you know that darn spiritual competition with the devil constantly going on ........he was always after you like the boogie man............

I remember going to a STS during TWI2 and the Way Singing Ladies had performed. I asked Claud**** Roy** if she would ever sing Precious Lord again. She told me that was a "different administration", which meant no. "We were in the Promised Land of the Prevailing Word" According to VPW there were only 7 administrations. Guess this new administration was discovered in the Promised Land. hahaha

Our fellow$*@! coordinators were always lauded to the sky for being completely out of debt. Their home and vehicles were all paid for. SHE HAD GOTTEN AN NHERITANCE. Come on, were we all to believe for someone to die and leave us alot of money to pay off our debts. Using them as the exception to the rule always fried my bacon.

Have missed your great posts Cherished.......stop in soon and at least say hi HAPPY DAYS

Never talked to you personally but have learned alot from your posts since Waydale...... HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!