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George, I forget myself. Draw up a chair (keeping your physical distance) and have a coffee and a bite to eat with the other Café patrons. You too, Waxit.

Well, he certainly missed the bit that said, Thou shalt not steal. Because that's exactly what he founded his "ministry" on - a stolen Bible-teaching class. But of course, doncha know, the "ten commandments don't apply now" which means that it's perfectly okay to make idols (like TWI, and like its Timothy statues teach wrong things about God, thus taking him and his name in vain work the congregation to sleepwalking ability disrespect parents specifically and family and friends in general cause the deaths and physical injury of hundreds if not thousands of other people (not to mention the mental injury of likely thousands) sleep with someone else's wife nick other people's goods, money and abilities slander inflicted on many who chose not to believe him or to leave TWI build his personal empire in emulation of those he perceived to be powerful I think the only one he agreed with was, Thou Shalt have no other gods before me" - except that he'd replaced himself as God. Just in case you've forgotten what the 10Cs are, here's a list. There are actually a jolly sight more commandments, but these are the basics as dictated to Moses.

Very true, "social distancing" is a weird expression. Some people, mostly young adult males, not obviously family groups, are still walking about very close together. Strange how quickly that has become quite indecent.

Hi George. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we've met, long long ago. Gartmore, Birminghamor possibly London?

Welcome, George It took 40 years to discover what "normal" churches have been teaching for decades? You have taken the time to study non-TWI related materials, haven't you? There are really good Jewish-interpretation sites, NT-Greek sites, and various reputable commentaries. I looked at your website but not at the articles you included. You've probably made more of an effort than VPW did, for sure; he chose what he thought he could easily palm off as his own, and what he could use to browbeat others. But - - is unlikely to be a fair reflection of genuine study on his part. Rather, he collected snippets, jigsaw pieces as you describe them, that suited his own agenda. He didn't match the completed jigsaw to the picture on the box, but rather fitted the jigsaw pieces together as a small child might, ramming them into approximate places. 2 Tim 4:3 seems apposite. Here's the Berean Study Bible version: For the time will come when men [VPW] will not tolerate sound doctrine [walked away from established church], but with itching ears they [VPW] will gather around themselves teachers [even respected theologians] to suit their own desires [and so to found his own "ministry" to give place to his lusts].

Hey, you could ask him: https://www.peterwade.com/wades/?v=79cba1185463 You'll see a nod to TWI in his bio.

Gabriel! Check your private messages.

WW, Rocky sent the text to me in pvt msg. Hence my thanks to him.

Thanks for that, Rocky. A fine tribute to a troubled young woman.

I can't access the document (in UK). I'm so sorry for this young woman - and her family. I wonder if this news has reached Barnard; and if so, whether he accepts that it was his behaviour, his abuse, that pushed her over the edge - even all these years later. Whether he accepts that or not - he killed her. I'm glad that she got the opportunity to see him put behind bars where he can't hurt any other young women.

indeed!!

There's a recognised "Anglican Communion" (and the Church of England = Anglican) sort-of coordinates it all. I wonder if these "American Anglican" churches are affiliated? No time to check out now, but it sounds a bit scammy to me - sounds like something it should be, but in fact might be something different. As you say, Can see why VPW might be in awe of him. Perhaps he was following a model that had worked for Pillai.

Wow! And then - oh no, not Vern. I remember him as being a really nice chap, decent, open-hearted. I don't know how "aware" he would have been when I knew him. And living in Columbus away from HQ might mean he knows less now than others might. Don't do it to him, Rosie. Don't corrupt another decent man.

"We can't change the past, Jack; what we can do is choose how we move forward." Isn't life fabulously good when you're free in your head!!!

After TWI through me out most ignominiously, I was desperate and really felt I didn't belong anywhere. I was living in another country with no friends (they'd all been Wayfers) and no family. Happily I'd lived in the other country long enough to qualify to apply for naturalisation. But "belonging" really helped in my slow recovery.

I know that, WW, that's why I asked if newbies had information. What you (and I) know is decades out of date; I don't doubt that he's aware of the background and has to some extent colluded in what was going on.

That would be mostly newbies, who could answer this, if whisper ever got out at HQ.

Just to bring this slightly back on track: Does anyone have any tales of JYdeL assaulting women?

Definitely prophecy ("forthtelling or foretelling") at work!

TWI has nothing special there. It's just a "cult trademark" generally to be critical of those not associated with their group - especially if that's some sort of religious group.

Completely but good to see that Weinstein has been convicted of rape. He's now saying he's too ill to go to prison and needs to go to a hospital. He plans an appeal. Harvey Weinstein, the fallen titan of Hollywood whose sexual abuse of aspiring young female actors sparked the #MeToo movement, has finally been brought to justice after a New York jury found him guilty of two of the five charges he faced. The jury of seven men and five women at the New York supreme court took five days to reach their verdict. They found the defendant guilty of a criminal sex act in the first degree for forcing oral sex on the former Project Runway production assistant Miriam Haley in 2006. Harvey Weinstein taken into custody after guilty verdict in landmark #MeToo trial – live Read more The count carries a minimum prison sentence of five years and a maximum of up to 25 years. The jury also convicted Weinstein of rape in the third degree. This relates to him raping a woman [the newspaper] is not naming, as her wishes for identification are not clear, in a New York hotel in 2013. This count carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison and no minimum, though it requires Weinstein to register as a sex offender. Weinstein was acquitted of three further charges, including the two most serious counts of predatory sexual assault which carried a possible life sentence and an alternative count of rape in the first degree. After the verdict Weinstein was handcuffed and remanded into custody ahead of sentencing on 11 March. His lawyers requested that he be kept in a jail infirmary while awaiting sentencing... ...Weinstein’s new role as a convicted sex criminal is not the end of the story. He will now face sentencing at the hands of Burke, a judge who throughout the trial has shown himself to be immune to the complaints of Weinstein’s lawyers about the way the trial was conducted... …Before he gets to lodge any appeal, Weinstein could face further legal jeopardy. Los Angeles authorities have charged him with raping and sexually assaulting two women over a two-day period in February 2013...

Confidence in the Lord A Davidic Miktam. 1Protect me, God, for I take refuge in You. 2Ic said to •Yahweh, “You are my Lord; I have nothing good besides You.” 3As for the holy people who are in the land, they are the noble ones. All my delight is in them. 4The sorrows of those who take another god for themselves will multiply; I will not pour out their •drink offerings of blood, and I will not speak their names with my lips. 5LORD, You are my portion and my cup of blessing; You hold my future. 6The boundary lines have fallen for me in pleasant places; indeed, I have a beautiful inheritance. 7I will praise the LORD who counsels me — even at night my conscience instructs me. 8I keep the LORD in mind always. Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 9Therefore my heart is glad and my spirit rejoices; my body also rests securely. 10For You will not abandon me to Sheol; You will not allow Your Faithful One to see decay. 11You reveal the path of life to me; in Your presence is abundant joy; in Your right hand are eternal pleasures.

Was reading in Psalms today. I found this, which gave my heart a real lift:

That's a big NO, then. It's just that the rabbit hole got a bit deeper. Maybe it's even harder for those still there to find their way out. Rosalie's going to pop her clogs one day - what, is she in her 80s now? Maybe it'll all fall apart then. Unless Rupp or Greene make a power-grab. Not sure Donna would.