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The Way: living in love Page 175 "Oh yes, did I tell you I taught at Gordon Divinity School? Homeletics was my specialty." ................................................................ Has anyone ever investigated this claim? ............................................................. edit: I sent them an email. Hopefully they will be more responsive than some of the other institutions who were queried.

Is there snow in any of those pictures?

And, yet, Wierwille claimed that, when he was at the end of his rope,debating an exit from ministerial work, he asked God for a sign and.....voila!, the sky turned black with snow. So, which is it? You can ask for a sign or you can't ask for a sign?.....silly little details often seem to spoil a good fib.

This is a case of seriously flawed logic. If NO ONE ever called him on it, it would not change the fact that he didn't have a valid doctorate. His enemies never questioned him on this? I beg to differ. I can remember many personal experiences of defending his credentials and hearing others defending his credentials, while I was still under the mistaken impression they were real. I think we wanted to believe it was all real, just like we wanted to believe there is a Santa Claus. I may be mistaken, but I think Kris may have also related a similar experience in her book. Been a while since I read it. Do you remember if there is anything like that in the book?

So many VP claims, so little time. Like the one about taking all his reference material to the dump and using only the Bible.... or the now infamous snow storm job stories....or the little boy who died because of what his mother was thinking....or the one about the devil sneaking into his desk drawer at night....or "Cancer is a devil spirit."....or the the miraculous withered-hand healing in India, accompanied by the amazing "key to the city" fable.... All outrageous. Are they the "most" outrageous? I don't know. I think that may be a subjective call, tempered by personal experience.

Doesn't sound familiar.

We have friends who live on LBI. Any word on damages to that area?

"Christ's eyes behind your eyes." I could be mistaken, but I think that is from the Advanced Class, possibly the session where Wierwille expounded on his theory of how Word of Knowledge functions. So, how does this work? He's absent, but his eyes are still here? Interesting....very interesting.

Anyone know if THIS is him? "When you write, please share financially as well. We need your regular and sacrificial giving to enable us to continue as "your sound alternative" in this area.You may also authorize monthly gifts via your debit/credit card or your checking account using our Direct Donations program. Or, to make a one-time gift by credit card, click here."

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John, if I was intolerant, as you suggest, this conversation would have ended long ago. Again, Dr. John is a stage character, played by a man whose real name is Mac Rebannack. Likewise, Sheriff Andy Tailor is not a real person, he is a character, played by Andy Griffith. See the difference between this an the deception that Wierwille promoted? Wierwille played the part of Dr. Wierwille when he was "on stage", but, in real life, even though he was someone else, he continued to allow people to think he was really the character he played. Nevertheless, you are perfectly free to hold onto whatever you perceive to be of value in PFAL. No one here has told you that you can't do that. I do find it a bit ironic, though, that in the above post, you openly admit you know that Wierwille wasn't really a Dr. And, this dichotomy ("It must be true because Dr. said so...") is the crux of the matter that provoked this thread.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that "we" can get people born-again. Not our job. The best you can hope for is that, by expounding on your personal beliefs, you will convince someone to agree with you. May I remind you, as well, that the primary purpose of Witnessing and Undershepherding, according to page 2 of the W&U syllabus, is to get people into the PFAL class. In other words, like it or not, we were, essentially, an unpaid sales force for Wierwille's flawed product line, the PFAL series.

Is that a euphemism for "sopping up the gravy"?

I, obviously, can't read minds. My guess, though, is that you were simply playing off the "nothingness" of the song. In which case, it's not a smart-aleck statement at all, just a clever retort.

In PFAL, Wierwille said, "The Word takes the place of the absent Christ." Aside from the obvious absence problem, there is a problem, also, with deciding what exactly constitutes "The Word". For most people in TWI, I would say that decision was based heavily on whatever Wierwille declared it to say..... And then you are back to the concept behind the "Well, Dr. said....." thread.

Hardly a valid comparison. "Dr. John" is the stage persona of Mac Rebannack. (It's simply a character he plays on stage.) Do you honestly not see the difference here?

"That stuff was handed down from the Mountain and breathed from the mouth of God......donchaknow." First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is.

No jokes or wacky analogies this time, Ham. Just a big congratulations on a job well done. I'm pretty sure it couldn't have been easy.

Morality is in a constant state of flux. Yesterday's lie becomes today's tool of survival.

Not to mention, the free membership to Jazzercise.

I love ya, brudder, but sometimes I really don't understand what you mean. (This is one of those times.)

Tornadoes are what I loath. Well, that and ice storms.