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I thought "shenanigans" was Irish.

Of course, if it was never actually documented on an official, TWI sanctioned tape or preserved for posterity in printed form, it never really happened.

Once the "God Card" is dealt, it becomes an entirely different game.----IMO

From the same article: The Rabbinical Assembly, the international association of Conservative rabbis, uses investigating panels to look into complaints against rabbis. It notes that the "power imbalance between clergy and those to whom they minister makes it clear that sexual contacts in these situations are by definition non-consensual." and----- Garland said, "when you put it with a spiritual leader or moral leader, you've really added a power that we typically don't think about in secular society -- which is that this person speaks for God and interprets God for people. And that really adds a power."

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Yeah, I forgot Page 10 Keys To Walking In The Spirit #9. It may be essential to put unbelievers out of the room. I wonder how that fits with: #1. To receive revelation, you first must become meek. The dude was the ultimate picture of meekness. hahahahaha!

Yeah, I used to hear that BS all the time back in the early 1970's. I think maybe it came from PLAF (The Wonder Class) where Wierwille 'splains that nobody killed Jesus, he simply "gave up the ghost" by his own decision. (session #4 if you really need to know) Now, in the Advanced Class, (page 31) Wierwille teaches that "sickness is death in part or in whole." Raf once said (I hope he doesn't mind my repeating this.) "You don't die when you quit believing, you die when you quit breathing." (or something along those lines.) The "spirit of death" thing is straight out of the Advanced Class. Page 21 Spirits affecting the mind #18 Spirit of death And we all know how amazingly accurate all of VP's teachings were when it came to devil spirits. :wacko:

The problem with this is that the guy was never a "MOG" to begin with. He was just an arrogant dillweed who happened to hold the reins of a very lucrative MLM organization. He was just pizzed off because he was losing the status he thought he deserved. I guess he thought that playing the sympathy card would help him retain the loyalty of his devotees. And, apparently he was right about that. "Oh, poor me, I gave my eye for my keeeeeeeds." (cough, hack, wheeze)

Absolutely! But the bigger question is, in my opinion, what effect does that "wooden spoon" type bullying have on the bullying you encounter now?

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In 1976, the Fellow Laborers of Ohio were rousted in the middle of the night for an emergency meeting. (I'm not the only GSC poster who was in that meeting.) The mood of the meeting was intensely dark and demoralizing. We were told that "the ministry" was going down the tubes and Word Over The World was in jeopardy because of--------US! Yep. It was all our fault. See, we were in "the birthplace of the ministry" and our believing was dragging the whole thing down the crapper. None of us had any idea what we could have possibly done to have these charges leveled against us. It was never explained. It was all a downward spiral for us FLO from that point on. We were constantly badgered about our "lack of believing" for the rest of that year. Years later, after looking around greasespot a bit, I discovered that, lo and behold, this same scenario had been played out in the corps at the same point in time. We were played. This whole thing was preconceived and staged. It was nothing more than theatrics, designed to gain control of us. Sorry, I just can't buy this whole "broken heart" nonsense now that I understand what was REALLY going on.

When I "got in the word" in 1972, people were already calling him "Uncle Harry". I always felt kinda weird calling him that because he bore absolutely no resemblance to any of MY uncles. I think it was all part of the "schtick", like the used car salesman who calls himself some name that plays on familiarity. BR 549

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No. It means "the leader" or "the commander". The Father is Der Vater.

Oh, we were taught to goose step, alright----only it was mental not physical

He wasn't MY uncle! When did people start calling him "Uncle Harry"? ----------AND------------------------- When did it become acceptable for an "uncle" to greet his "nieces" with a French kiss or fondle their breasts?

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The abortion issue is like one of those handy-dandy screwdrivers that can do 16 different jobs. When people get close enough to a particular issue to begin to understand it, simply bring out the trusty 16AS tool and dissemble it (the issue) beyond the point of recognition.

How can you offend someone who states point blank they only came here out of boredom?

There have been several threads that have discussed this issue. One, specifically, deals with the dilemma his death from cancer presents. I'm not very skilled in doing searches but here is the essence of the dilemma: FIRST Wierwille taught, in the AC, that cancer is caused by devil spirits. More bluntly, that if you have cancer, you are possessed. Though he softened that message a bit in his delivery. Now the dilemma If Wierwille was correct, it means we were following a man who was devil possessed. If Wierwille was wrong, it destroys his credibility regarding spiritual matters. It means he could have been wrong about anything and everything. Either way, it's a losing situation. edit: Check THIS out. And THIS

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Certainly a whole lot of food for thought here.

Welcome aboard, kaptain k. That nagging feeling that, somehow, "it must of been your own fault"----------It's so liberating to finally realize the whole thing was a sham----It wasn't your fault at all. Care for a spot on the house?

Did this foray relieve your "boredom"?