waysider

"Retarded" is not a bad word, in and of itself. How it is applied is another story. The problems arise when the speakers intentions are less than honorable or when the hearer perceives them as such. Unfortunately, we can't always know what the speaker's intentions are or, if we are the speaker, how our words will be perceived. It's best to err on the side of caution, in my opinion. Besides, we all have our own disabilities. Some are just more visible than others.

Back then, I wouldn't have dared to lie to leadership. They had us believing they could get revelation when they needed it. (Reach up in Daddy's cookie jar.) And they used the Ananias & Saphira scripture to hold us at bay. There was that, and the danger of leaving the hedge of protection. If you just "played along to climb the ladder", after realizing it was a crock of road apples, that would make you the deceiver. I believe that's what VPW did.

Now there is a 558 page transcript of the 1979 Advanced Class up for bid at $199.00. No bids so far. Seller is in Elyria, Ohio. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksi...-All-Categories ALSO

I don't go to Sunday School anymore.

There are other examples of well known musicians whose talents were wasted by TWI.

Sugar Blue

Happy Birthday

Lighning in a Bottle

I couldn't decide whether to put this here or one of the splinter threads. THE SORCERER"S APPRENTICE

I think people get their pantyhose in a bunch because they still have some pie in the sky notion there are golden nuggets of wisdom hidden between the pages. As far as a court is concerned, they probably couldn't care less if this was a class on organic ant farming or mini bike customization. It's just a bunch of old cassette tapes of no particular intrinsic value. It just highlights the hypocrisy of the whole World Over The World scam. It was never about some noble cause, making sure everyone heard the gospel. It was about making money for TWI.

This is a MEAN OLD WORLD.

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Try living your life without that luxury on a 24/7-365 basis for 2, 3, 4 years at a time. Never knowing from minute to minute if something you said or did could get you tossed out into the night. It takes a toll.

And this segues back into the old question of whether he really believed his own drivel. I should think the answer would be rather obvious.

Time Has Come Today

I still don't understand why they need WayGB when all they have to do is "reach up in Daddy's cookie jar". hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Religion can be a big and profitable business. M. Dr!sc@ll has a very large inventory of product to satisfy his customers. Here is an Amazon link with 69 products for potential customers. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search...coll&page=1 His interests in "planting" and growth certainly seem to be vested.

It's my personal opinion that many of the problems that festered in The Way were not due to our approach to the Trinity or our view on how many were crucified with Christ or what day Jesus was actually born on or what Jesus actually said when he was on the cross, or any of the other "Bible stuff". The exception to this, I believe, was the the dispensationalism that permeated and was intertwined with everything we did on a practical level. In other words, the problems were rooted in the lifestyle we were living. The Bible was somewhat incidental to it. Many people who were not in the various training programs or had minimal exposure to them or had a unique experience in them, simply don't grasp the profound effect that isolationism and constant denial of "self" can have. I don't expect them to. But, on the other hand, I don't expect them to persistently discount the real experiences of people who were directly affected. With that said, the heart of my questions is not with what any particular group teaches about the scriptures, per-se, but rather what sort of lifestyle they promote. I know very little about this group and am certainly not implying there is anything amiss here. However, I am always on my guard to examine any similarities in lifestyle that various groups may have with TWI.

My condolences, Catcup.

Regarding plastic: The plastic rumors are false, both for the heating and freezing concerns. (see previous link.) Regarding the Teflon scare: C8, the substance under scrutiny, is not found in the Teflon, itself. C8 is a substance used in the manufacturing process. (see previous link.) Regarding excess iron: Current research shows that the dangers come into play when cholesterol and iron combine. It's a synergistic effect. Some people are genetically predisposed to retention of excess iron. Iron is a heavy metal and, as such, is not normally excreted from the body once ingested. Once it's in there, it's pretty much in there to stay unless it exits through blood loss. There is also a medical process for removing excess iron. Very few people need EXTRA iron. Anemic women in their child bearing years would be one such example. Men and post-menopausal women are at increased risk because that have no monthly mechanism in place for excreting iron. http://www.excessiron.com/excess-iron-symptoms.jsp http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8970483 Regarding Melamine: Melamine is non toxic. The dangers of kidney problems are real but are associated with use of sizable quantities in the powdered form. (see previous link.)

The preacher talked with me and he smiled--

Controversial approach to doctrine, charismatic leader, insistence in absolute obedience, consequences for critical thinking, ostracizing the non-compliant, etc., etc.---- Sure sounds like it has a lot of the right ingredients for a cult. (Not that I've ever seen one up close or anything. )

Well, way back when, they would rationalize that by saying it was proof the "Word" was moving because the adversary was trying to stop it with negative events like this. :blink:

I can only speak for myself, but yes, I am saying that. Except, I think the half-wit persona stems from the phony "aw, shucks" character he played. In reality, I think he was more cunning and devious than he would have ever wanted anyone to know.