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Back in "the good old days" (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk), people who were moving up the leadership ladder had a tendency to mimic VP's idiosyncrasies, such as his quirky pronunciations, exaggerated facial expressions and machismo posturing. In essence, they became mini-VPs. Whether they did this intentionally or not is a whole 'nother kettle of fish-sticks. I'm not singling out any particular individual in this observation. On some sort of subconscious level, I think we automatically accepted them as good guys by virtue of similarity. Of course, at that time, we associated similarity with VP as a good thing. There was a guy in Cleveland (Bill Mc) who had a style that was the antithesis of VP's. People came in droves to hear him speak because of the message he conveyed, not because he was charismatic. (because he wasn't) So I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes you have to distinguish between the song itself and the arrangement to evaluate things in perspective. A terrible song can sound great with a good arrangement and the inverse is true as well.

Another aspect of this subject that deserves consideration is the existence of various pathologies, such as clinical depression. In The Way, we were given the example of a glassful of muddy water. Supposedly, as you introduce clear water into a glass of cloudy solution, it will incrementally displace the muddy water until you eventually have a glass of clear water. It's not entirely untrue, of course, but much too broad an approach for many situations. In Way World, one size fits all. But, life's problems often require complex solutions. People who have chemical imbalances are simply not going to recover by using only the "muddy glass of water" technique. What about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Is it a chemical imbalance? Current information seems to suggest there may be a link. http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/ho...nxiety/133.html What are some common obsessions? The following are some common obsessions: * Fear of dirt or germs * Disgust with bodily waste or fluids * Concern with order, symmetry (balance) and exactness * Worry that a task has been done poorly, even when the person knows this is not true * Fear of thinking evil or sinful thoughts * Thinking about certain sounds, images, words or numbers all the time * Need for constant reassurance * Fear of harming a family member or friend People who suffer from OCD are probably not going to respond satisfactorily from the "good thought in/bad thought out" system by itself. Encouraging someone to practice this method alone, when what they really need is professional intervention, is doing them and those around them a great disservice.

Maybe they were including the turtles in the pond.

The Ford Brothers

What great pictures. It all brings back so many wonderful memories as though they happened yesterday.

The cited link is not about watching the news or crime shows. It's about hiding your head in the sand and refusing to deal with your thoughts honestly and openly. There's a fine line between focusing excessively on negatives and facing reality. Only you can say where that line is. Here's an excerpt from the link: Do not masturbate. If you masturbate, you probably entertain sinful fantasies at the same time. Although masturbation is not explicitly forbidden in the Scriptures, the thoughts that usually accompany it are. Do not escape into a fantasy life. Determine that, with God’s help, you will stop. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28). Sometimes people have orgasms in their sleep. If that happens to you, don't feel condemned. However, if you have sexually immoral dreams, ask God to replace them with pure dreams. This is contrary to the way a normal healthy body works. How do you counsel a normal teenager with such advise? You simply can't tell them that their normal, healthy "sex dreams" are immoral and wrong. (but don't feel condemned) Nor should you be telling them to repress them in favor of "pure dreams". And I don't mean to seem as though I've singled this one item out as the focal point. It's not. It's just exemplifies the type of mind set this article is advocating. The point I'm making is that, while it's good advise to avoid dwelling on life's negatives, (Medical science is filled with studies of how worry and stress can adversely affect your health) It's not good advise to live in a world of self delusion. This link seems to be suggesting the adherence of the same kind of self delusion that left us all so vulnerable to blind obedience and control by people who didn't have our best interests at heart when we were in TWI. But I could be wrong---That's just my opinion.

Straight out of the Renewed Mind class as well as Orientalisms. This is dangerous stuff when misapplied. This was used extensively in The Way to discourage people from speaking out about things they saw that didn't measure up. If you saw something you knew was wrong, YOU were the one who was at fault for not renewing your mind and allowing the adversary to trick you into thinking evil of your brother or sister. Admitting you had negative thoughts was the same as admitting spiritual weakness. That's why, in Fellow Laborers, it was imperative to NEVER discuss any doubts you had about the way the program was being run with anyone you didn't trust completely. While I agree that it's not healthy to spend one's time dwelling on "negatives", sometimes facing the negatives head on is exactly what needs to be done.

It's certainly a telling tale that the charisma of one twisted man could have such a far reaching impact.

I don't think he would give a rat's butt one way or the other. He set out to build an MLM that he could milk for the rest of his life and that's exactly what he did.

Purple Anemones

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Temptation

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Wierwille wasn't fundamentally all that different from the fraudulent psychic mediums and mentalists of his day. Except, instead of claiming to be channeling the spirit of dearly departed Aunt Mildred, he claimed to be channeling the spirit of God Almighty, himself. God, after all, tends to lend a bit more credibility than dear Aunt Mildred.

Remember how wierwille claimed that Arthur Ford channeled a "familiar spirit" known as "Fletcher", thus proving the reality of devil spirits? Here's a paragraph from an article on Ford. *********************************** Ford's Hidden Archives After Arthur Ford's death, Ford's close friend and supporter William V. Rauscher and author Allen Spraggrett discovered Ford's collection of obituaries, newspaper clippings, Who's Who articles, etc. that Ford had hidden away. They were disguised as bound poetry books. Ford read his poetry before giving a reading. There was enough information to indicate that much of the famous Pike messages and others were fraudulent. There were many other things that Ford ordered his secretary to burn that are lost. Ford and his secretary parted company due to a falling out. Ford's secretary claimed Ford had no psychic abilities. The book Arthur Ford: The Man Who Talked with the Dead by Allen Spraggett with William V. Rauscher, New American Library, Inc.,1973 gives the whole story and is the primary source used in Alcock's book. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ford

One more clue: I stopped an old man along the way Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies He turned to me as if to say, hurry boy, its waiting there for you If no one gets it by tonight, I'll post the answer.

What a sick and twisted place it became. I'm so glad I left when I did.

Here's more. I hear the drums echoing tonight But she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation Shes coming in 12:30 flight The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation

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I've been in that type of situation. It's amazing the things you will agree to in order to take the pressure off. I probably would have confessed to being a potted plant if I thought it would help.

Well said Buff, well said.

Sean Costello---The Hucklebuck