waysider

Thanks, Sky Watcher It took a tremendous amount of courage to post like that. There is so much there, on so many different levels, it's hard to know what to say. I'm glad you are here. waysider

Kick out the jams, Brother Ham!!

Excie You were NOT a member of The Secret Agenda Society. You were like the teller who was present when the bank was held up. You were there but certainly not part of the hold up gang. PS----It makes PERFECT sense. You are NOT the one who should be saying you are sorry.

I had to google it so I'm out. It's a really good one, though.

So now you're equating "ignore" with M&A? I hardly think so.

Maybe it's supposed to say 2'429 MUMBLERS!

Wierwille was a sham. He knew less about spiritual matters than the average "pet rock". Looking back on it, I'm surprised some some irate husband or father didn't blow the S.O.B's brains out. Maybe he had people threaten to do just that. Why else would someone who is so "spiritually perceptive" need to surround himself with armed body guards? Edited to point out that those things have all been said before by others. I just "put them all together" like they haven't been put together since the last time they were all put together ;)

Is it Bad To The Bone---George Thoroughgood?

One thing I find myself wondering is if they are able to spot each other, form alliances, cover for each other. Just wondering.

When Emmitt Rhodes split from The Merry Go Round back in 1970 or so, he released a solo album--- a REAL solo album. Multi-tracking was still quite new but Emmitt mastered it in no time at all. Every part on here is Emmitt. Here is a clip from that album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQstonvVxpA...feature=related PS--- When this was released I bought it on 8 track!

OK Would someone else like my turn? Just in case you're interested it's Live by The Merry-Go-Round. The only youtube I could find of it includes it in a medley. It's the first song of the medley.

Is this one too obscure?

Great post, Copenhagen. Who would know better than someone who is right there in the midst of it?

Kinda looks like they weren't as "spiritual tuned in" as they would have had us believe. Wierwille claimed suicide was caused by a devil spirit yet he failed to spot this supposed "spirit" in this young woman. That's not a very encouraging endorsement for his so-called "spiritual perception". In fact, it's not much of an endorsement for the whole concept of "devil possession".

That sounds a bit counter-productive to me. This is a forum for voicing opinions. Those opinions will not always be in agreement. Voicing an opinion that is in disagreement with another poster's opinion does not constitute a "personal attack" in and of itself. If another poster voices an opinion that appears to me to be idolatrous, there is nothing wrong with me or anyone else voicing an opposing view to that opinion as long as I address the opinion without attacking the poster. IMO

The problem with the truth that Wierwille spoke(and, yes, I believe some of what he spoke contained "truth", at least in the conventional sense.) is that it's like mixing flea poop in a pepper shaker. How in the world can you completely separate it all back out again?

More like they pushed her back in after she thought she had made it to the safety of the shore.

C'mon, Baby, do the Locomotion--------Little Eva

Perhaps you don't quite understand what a person attack is, Oldies. A personal attack is when a person attacks you rather than the position you take or the opinion you express. Here is an example: Speaker#1. "What you are saying is false." Speaker #2. "Are you calling me a liar?"(Changes the subject) Speaker #1. "I am not calling you anything at all. I am simply stating that your premise is false." Now, if the person, instead, called you a liar, that would be a personal attack because they are no longer attacking the opinion, they are attacking you as a person. My post did not accuse you of being an idoloter. What I said was that your distortion of T-Bone's question is an blatant attempt to exonerate Wierwille. If I have misunderstood your purpose in making the comparisons you that you made, maybe you could explain why it is you believe they illustrate a valid analogy.

T-Bone asked: "If one of the sins of the teacher is lying, then what part of the teaching is truth?" To which Oldies responded: "The implication being that if a teacher lies somewhere, a teacher can't teach the truth... The content of plagiarized material isn't true because it has been plagiarized. You shouldn't drive the Autobahn because Hitler was involved in building it. and so forth..." ---------------------------------------------------------------- That's a complete distortion of T-Bone's question. It's simply a blatant attempt to exonerate Wierwille. And yes, it is a strawman. It's diverting the question at hand away from center stage and replacing it with a stand-in.

I find it rather sad that what started as an effort to remember Sandra Ann Sullivan has deteriorated into a platform promoting the "Wierwille Admiration Society" (As do far too many other well intentioned threads.)

Sociopaths make perfect middle managers. They are the business version of a "survivor".They will praise you for anything you do that helps THEM. Sometimes they will praise you for things that don't appear to have an ulterior motive and the praise will feel oddly hollow.If they think you have become a liability or have discovered some dirty secret about them, they can drop you like a hot potato and never feel a drop of remorse. They may feign remorse because they know that you and society in general will expect it. But, in reality, they are "play acting". It's to your benefit to know if you are dealing with a sociopath ahead of time because the more you can know about the opposition the better off you'll be. BTW---I'm only telling you this because I care.

Hitler never declared himself a monster.

"If you gotta go You better live your life before you pass away Don't waste a day All your life's been spent locked in your room You never had a chance to roam Away from home." ------------------------------------------------------- (Not a real big hit but a memorable one.)

Oldies I couldn't care less whether or not you would feel remorse. (Especially in light of the fact that you've previously indicated you wouldn't.) What's being discussed here is Wierwille's lack of empathy, not yours. He displayed no sense of remorse for his involvement in the stated events. Debate the significance of that if you want to but don't deny the reality.