Allan

I sympathise but I won't be made to feel guilty for what happened to some of the unfortunate ones in t.w.i. anymore than any of you feel guilty for the starving millions in Africa,oh yeah..that's our fault to.. Maybe stop 'navel gazing' and start 'outward focusing'.

Oakspear..instead of calling me 'buckwheat' can you shorten it to 'bucko'..I like that much better !!

WordWolf you should know better than to imply that just because some of us are blessed and better off for our time in (former t.w.i.) that by that we are defending VPW and other things that went on..that is not honest scholarship !!

Is MJ in a wheel chair ? What does that have to do with a person or are your 'true colors' starting to 'project through' temple lady.. Oh o.k. wait for the apology and the retraction !!

Can't speak for mj but we went through t.w.i. corps with 5 kids, all STILL happy and well adjusted,heck, now we're onto grandkids. I don't get 'your logic' either Rascal..therein do we bless God and curse God ?? That is the hallmark of what type of 'cool waters' flows from the fountain.

I just don't get that to some of you just about every evil thing that happens in the world somehow gets traced back to t.w.i. No way have I defended their evil actions just because myself and MANY others walked away with great truths. There is usually two sides to most stories ! Any 'innies' or 'lurkers' reading this, listen up.. You can leave t.w.i. a happy and well adjusted person and live an even more fulfilling life for you and your family. You will not die or have any more evil happen to you than the next joey on the street. Many of us left and still hold on to the truths learnt and are still moving forward with the things of God.

so do you feel better now Rascal.. What you just said about me was the most right on spiritual posting I have seen you do. My only question is are you so accurately describing me..or that little 'rascal' inside of you..

So Goey..when you say you lean more to the 'cessation theory' of s.i.t. you are saying you believe it died out with the apostles ? This is what Mormons, Jws' believe.

probably more for the 'doctrinal section' but the administrations in the Bible seem to be glaringly obvious unless one believes in the pre-existence of Jesus, the 'deity' of Jesus etc.. The Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus was 'Michael the archangel'etc.. I still believe that 95% of the Bible is plain common horse sense (to quote someone else)

I don't want to 'dissitate' but can I um say ..to whom it was written and um..administrations and thingeys like that ?

Yeah, I still have a problem with the word 'hate' so....I dislike intensely those who hide behind or within t.w.i.s' structure/entity so as to enable them to continue their deviant ungodly unrighteous behavior because they know that in 'the world' brothers and uncles would be busting down their doors to exact some well deserved recompense ! I also have a theory that some of them actually believe that because they are 'so right on with the Word' and so 'gung ho' with it that they are 'allowed' to sin a little ??

With the new 'appointments' to hq I don't think you will be waiting long for new scandals. An (un-named by me)international reverend who has been assigned there has a real 'weakness fur wimmin, oh yeahhhh..

I think MJ has some valid points and you have just said you gave your kids over to the State AFTER these bast***s were jailed..why ?? It is just that I know mums(sorry)moms who would fight and believe God big time to keep their kids and I do know some moms(through conselling)that tried to get rid of (dump) their kids onto others or welfare ?? Oakspear, Rascal..I get tired of the fact that you don't see the forums as a two-way dialogue, not everyone has to fully agree with you and your friends opinions ! French kissing breast fondling cocaine taking state welfare officers and nothing could be proven..? why didn't anyone want to listen to you at the time ?? Was it a conspiracy, everyone against you ??

The Jesus Christ of the gospels, the Jesus Christ of the church epistles and the Jesus Christ of the 'apocalypse' Jesus Christ the same yesterday, TODAY and and forever !!

I have serious reservations that you really only exist here because I perceive it in my mind !!- quote..Shirley Maclean (founder of "you only exist because I can see you") !!

I have read them and I just read them again and I think that those that were involved in the midst of it all should STILL be VERY involved in trying to bring it to some sort of 'Godly' conclusion.

I was a nice 'hardcase' guy before I got involved in twi,I was a nice 'hardcase' guy whilst in and I left still the nice 'hardcase' guy but with a lot more of the rightly divided Word.

I think the number of really nice people still in twi is/has diminished rapidly,the rapidly rising 'climate' of twi leads me to think the really nice people will at some point be heavily confronted and then hopefully they will do the right thing and jump ship with 'the good stuff'.

So Coolwaters lived with Mo..the plot thickens.. Were you aware of what was going on..what did you do to help ? Is there anything you can do now to help ?

Oh I get it..like the handle 'Oakspear' Thanks for the enlightenment !

Thanks for the answer Rascal,at least now it's out there and some of us can understand where you're coming from with some of your posts.

I am genuinely sorry for you Temple lady, whatever you think of me, but I tell you this, if you lived near me I would help you to win back your kids,considering as others have said that there are no extenuating circumstances on your part. I think if I remember rightly you are/were Mormon ? hence the name Templelady ? Did that have something to do with their outcome ? There was no putrid fruit from twi we allowed to get a grip on our lives,but we 'ran away' with the apples so to speak !!

People can say they are 'blessed and happy' but in my experience that can often be a 'cover' for loneliness, unsureness, bitterness etc.. I found s.i.t . alot helped me through much of that. I loved the 'surrendering' thread.The worship side of church really helps with that..

Bramble..agree with what you say and neither is it a forum solely for 'wiccans', 'pagans' etc !! Rascal..you are still dodging a simple question..so are you a christian ?

Maybe it was just dumping the arrogance part that God was after,(this is not finger pointing)..but so much of the truth taught in twi did tend to 'inflate' a lot of peoples egos.