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Donovans'Reef? Or was it the movie with Brando playing an American serviceman in Japan?

I lost interest after palpatine's comments about the dark lord he served under "he could save others, but not himself." And Jedi don't believe in absolutes. Over the top and under the belt all in one. Hey George, use the force of the screenwriters guild.

I dunno. I thought some of the most heartfelt moments were when Chewie and R2 spoke.

There were many pre-Constantine councils convened to discuss heresies. The church wasn't as fragmented as it was more of a confederation rather than a monolith.

Here's an article I found interesting. A friend of Mary Magdalene’s — who wasn’t Mrs. Jesus, it seems — deserves more attention AP Photo NY630 By RICHARD N. OSTLING AP Religion Writer Jane Fonda’s autobiography and related interviews depict her involvement with a women’s Bible study led by an Atlanta Presbyterian. Now she’s become fascinated with gospels from the Gnostic movement that early Christians barred from the Bible as inauthentic and heretical. The feminism that shapes Fonda’s religious quest also plays into Dan Brown’s promotion of Gnosticism in his popular novel, “The Da Vinci Code.” Did the Gnostics provide reliable information about Jesus? Birger Pearson, a University of California-Santa Barbara, expert, notes in Bible Review magazine that Gnostic writings involved were fourth-century translations from third- or second-century writings. The New Testament Gospels were first-century texts. Brown’s celebrated claim that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and sired a royal bloodline is debunked by Pearson, who says “nothing at all” in biblical or Gnostic materials provides evidence. The “Mrs. Jesus” theory depends on the assertion that Jewish men were required to marry. But we’ve known that’s untrue since the first century, when Josephus wrote about celibate Essene holy men. Speaking of women, in the same issue of Bible Review, Ben Witherington III of Asbury Theological Seminary in Lexington, Ky., writes that with all the Mary Magdalene chatter we shouldn’t ignore that her real-life friend Joanna was equally — or perhaps more — important. Who? Joanna and Mary, both close companions of Jesus, attended his crucifixion and burial after the male disciples fled (Luke 23:49-56). They witnessed the empty tomb on Easter morning and went to tell the men, who initially dismissed the good news as an “idle tale” (Luke 24:1-11). The first scriptural mention of Joanna says that Jesus “went on through cities and villages, preaching and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with him, and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their means” (Luke 8:1-3). Chuza was the household administrator for Herod Antipas, the tyrant infamous for executing Jesus’ cousin and forerunner, John the Baptist. Joanna’s travels were extraordinary because “women in early Jewish culture were not supposed to fraternize with men they were not related to,” Witherington notes. Since Joanna’s husband was well-placed, she presumably had the freedom to travel and the financial means to support Jesus’ entourage. But this would have “put her husband’s career at risk,” he surmises. That shows what a powerful attraction Jesus had for women followers, Witherington says. Jesus not only dismissed the taboo against men talking with women who weren’t their relatives but apparently didn’t treat women as ritually unclean during their monthly cycle (see Mark 7:15). Witherington offers an added theory also proposed in “Gospel Women” (Eerdmans, 2002) by Richard Bauckham of Scotland’s University of St. Andrews. An important statement about the role of women in the earliest church is Romans 16:1-16. There, Paul greets important church workers. One of them is Junia (or Junias), wife of Andronicus, whose Latin name is the equivalent of the Hebrew Joanna. Could she be the same Joanna of the Gospel account? Witherington thinks she is. Paul says that Junia and Andronicus were notable “apostles,” making Junia the first woman given that exalted title, which clearly implies that she had seen the risen Jesus and had been commissioned directly by him. Paul also says Junia and Andronicus “were in Christ before me.” Since Paul became a Christian two or three years after Jesus’ crucifixion, the couple would have been among the very earliest Christians when believers were virtually all Jews located in the Holy Land. Witherington speculates that Chuza divorced Joanna, who then married the Christian Andronicus. “Herod Antipas would hardly have retained Chuza as estate agent if Chuza retained Joanna as a wife,” he figures, and maybe the divorce made her free to follow Jesus to Jerusalem. ——— On the Net: Bible Review: http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb—BR/indexBR.html

as it should be in other words people want to glorify in men rather then in God too bad Paul was considered a big deal he may not have had to go through what he did i think there's a lot of pauls and timothys around that are right in front of us Too bad? He was a faithful minister who carried the Gospel to our ancestors. Persecution is a given as a Christian, evangelists and missionaries are martyred every day around the world. While we get in a huff if the ACLU wants to move a Nativity scene.

I don't get it, I can't get into chat anymore. I go to the page and all I get is a white screen with the gsc > What am I doing wrong?

I was good friends with a guy names Kerry, he married a WCE girl. is that the same guy?

Attack of the Clones? Phantom Menace? the reimagined Planet of the Apes?

Better to be disparate then desparate. Which was our life before.

Does God live for his creation? Does God live for angels? Does God live for us? Does God live for Himself?

I believe the answer is, yes. That's what I like about Raf, he's decisive!

If it is not fair to send someone to eternal judgment for a finite amount of sins, how can someone be given eternal life for the same finitie acts of righteousness?

The gnostics were always consider heretics from the faith. Their gospels did not carry the same weight as the writings that have come to be known as the Bible in the early church. Councils of leaders would consider them and decide what was right and wrong. That's good leadership. Christianity Today's Web site has some good research on the gnostics and their writings. You should checki it out.

You can get deep all you want, but we were created, so we weren't always here. Once created, all men will "live" forever, it is just where do want to spend that eternity?

I would respectfully disagree. The many gods are not one. The world would like all religions to be different sides of the same coin, but the tenets of Islam do not line up with Christianity, nor does Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, atheism or animism. How do you equate a tree with a Creator?

well said Abi Even paul knew that he was capable of sinning, and yet his relationship with God was never in doubt.

Here's the passage that sums up my statements 1 Cor. 6:9-10. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Do we want to condemn anyone to a life separated from God just because some in society say that alternative lifestyles are OK?

Did anybody watch the PAX special on the DaVince Code last night? They went through a segment on how the gnostic gospels were written 200 years after the time of the apostles and often by someone who claimed to someone else.

Cm I agree. I will always question man, but I will put my trust in Jesus.

hi Mark I found a Strongs and I looked all the words you and I argue about and his book backs up the eternal fire scenario, not a limited timeframe. Can you tell me again how you read differently?

thanks for playing Mike, but you didn't answer the question.

But the gays want to slap our faces with their lifestyle, so it must go deeper than that. I would say deviant sexuality can be a symptom or a source of other problems. Look at children who are molested, they often exhibit other dangerous behaviors. It takes years of counseling to get them through their ordeals. Look at the yo-yos from NAMBLA who want to legalize and normalize adults having sex with kids. They are criminals masquerading behind the "gay lifestyle" smokescreen.

What is the attraction to the non-cannonical books anyway? Is it a need to find some hidden truth? Or is the allure of a conspiracy so enticing that is drives us to look for things that are not there. I was think about the so-called Gospel of Thomas. Thomas went to India, and was martyred there. The Indian Christians thought for 300 years they were the only believers on earth. So how could this "gospel" be from the disciple who died so far away.