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Do what Peter did, keep your eyes focus on Jesus.

You know hell isn't so much a fear I try to plant in people's mind, as it one that keeps me praying for someone who is not saved. It is not something that I spend much time thinking about in my own life, heaven is much more rewarding and beneficial. I think about how the actions I take and make in this life impact my eternity. I see challenges here as lessons that will become clearer there. And the existence of hell does not mar the image of God in my mind. It strengthens it. I know from our POV it seems unfair, but if God was fair, shouldn't he have wiped us off the planet by now as a species and as individuals. He restrains himself not because he is incapable of disciplining or punishing us because as it is often the case, the ones he loves get chastised. (Hebrews) And I know Mark you have said before you believe hell is there for a time. I see the scriptures saying it will be for all eternity. Because you have to understand, time is only for this life only, when earth is done, time will be no more and if time is no more, our state at that moment will be permanent. So consider the blood of the martyrs and how fair it would be for their deaths to have no meaning and their killers to gain entrance without having to do anything here.

Imagine a man of God wants to remain virtous and he gets criticized for it?

If you don't like the north star, wait another 10,000 years and it will change.

Yeah I caught that too.

But not always, and that's the rub.

Abi I was gone by 89. Rob and Clarissa N*m*r were my bc's names. they were replaced by Rob and D Lo*d*n.

If the chronology fits, vp still taught the trinity when the 3 allegedly split, if they ever knew each other to begin with.

Actually he taught that being a mogfot was being a pain in the as* ;)-->

It's a talk show with the host and two guests. Sometimes there's four topics others two. Last week, the gay issue had a conservative pastor debating a lesbian minister. and then the head of Exodus International- a ministry that helps homosexuals come out of the gay lifestyle debate a Christian homosexual. The hosts asks an opening question and then the guests spar and then the host offers his take.

Has anyone watched the show "Faith Under Fire?" It is on PAX on Saturdays at 10 p.m. It is hosted by Lee Strobel, an atheist-turned Christian who has written several books on the Case for Christ, Case for Faith, Case for a Creator and the Case for Easter. He was a legal editor for the Chicago Tribune. The show has him interviewing guests from differing viewpoints and then he tells of his beliefs. My wife and I watch it and like it.

Mark I wish you and Chuck would understand something. I don't preach hellfire and brimstone. I preach the Good News. I preach of a saving, loving lord who gave his life for the world. I believe in a literal hell, however, because first the Lord talked about it. Second, because Jesus said it exists (Lazarus and the Rich Man) and I see it as a place where those who willingly reject God and Christ and the Holy Spirit will go someday. Because under your theology, we will be robots, devoid of any passion or emotion or joy. People who have fought against God their whole lives, will be forced to believe? What kind of love is that? To me that is cruel. You live under the misconception that life is fair, that God is fair. Was it fair for the 70,000 men to die when David sinned? Was it fair for the people of the earth to die in the flood and only 8 to survive? Was it fair that Gentiles had to be circumsized to become part of Israel and the promised land, when Moses never got there? God justice demands that people pay for their sin. And by rejecting the eternal glory, they must pay for eternity.

Hi Mark Nice to see you are back. Just checked some verses on hades, still seems like a hot place to me. again, nice to see you are back.

I'd rather see a thread on explaining the paralegal. :P-->

I believe God is the perfect father and he chastises, disciplines, punishes those he loves. It's in Hebrews. That said, God is slow to anger, abounding in love and is ready to embrace us. However, he has stated on several times that he hates sin. When we fall, we have to confess our sin to him — and others we are accountable to. It is often those times when perceive a drop in the father's love (blessings) that we are cooled in our affections toward him and start to walk away. We are to live for God and His glory, not the other way around.

CM Not my intention. You made the statement. I was seeking clarification. You can PM if you want, that way we can avoid any derail. def

Who are you talking about when you say "we will all be joined together?"

Andrea It really is nice to know you are doing well. Ex, I do recall your names now, but that was when I too was sliding out of twi, before my last gasp in GR. I hope you are all are doing well.

Or he will legitimize sexual abuse by the clergy.

that's what I did. A complete makeover. I chucked my twi books, magazines - even my companion bible, to get a clear start. I went to college and got a new career in news, so I strive for truth as a calling.

As great a preacher as Billy is, he will tell you how he almost lost his family because he was on the road so much. He tells the story of coming home after a crusade and his son Franklin asking who he was. BG changed his schedule after that.

If it weren't for vpw, I never would have learned the slang terms of the late 60s and early 70s for anal sex.

Does anyone know what happended to Lorian Anderson West? She was my TC in Michigan around 1982-83.

Does anyone remember Karen Gnagi(sp?) she was my bc as a wow in NC in 1978. Until Sara W. came to town.

Tzaia, Christianity never moved away from monotheism. There is only one God. The church's understanding of the Godhead became more fully developed. Persecution has been a part of the faith since Jews first started killing Christians. Then the Romans got involved and eventually other Christians (so-called at least).