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Jesus said through John we are not add to the Bible,so in that sense, no, you can't write like Paul.

So far I have heard some hurt, bitterness or disbelief in the exclusive path laid out in the Bible, but I am curious as to what particular doctrine causes one to leave (that is if you ever truly believed in the first place - be honest now.) What are the flaws in the Christology or theology?

I am sorry Lindy, but when you put your faith in people you get terribly disappointed and hurt. remember TWI?

Christianity Today did a piece on Eldredge recently.

Dmiller Here's where we part ways. I believe Jesus was uniquely unable to sin. It was a slam dunk. As it is with all the Bible. The battle's been won. We are called to grow in Christ.

Abigail thanks you did great. Tell 1000 i said hi and I lost the no.

Well, I will be teaching Next Door Savior to my fellowship flock - its my church's home fellowships that take the place of the Sunday night service. It's twig without SIT and ABS and singing. Great food.

Many Jews have recanted their faith and left in droves. Read the Hebrew Bible (OT for Christians) the sin of idolatry was wiped out only after the last exile to Babylon.

Abigail In your Jewish tradition is there any room for Jews for Jesus? I ask because I have heard many Jews reject them out of hand.

I find a curious trend in that many Christianity rejecters do so because of their Way experience, which we can most often agree, was not Christian. Has anyone found any solace or peace in organized churches or home groups in their post-TWI days?

Dmiller Since Jesus was not born with a sin nature, he was not prone to think like we do. I am sure he tripped up stairs and bumped into things, but the point is he never sinned, not once, not ever. I don't think he was capable of sinning.

Interesting comments. Geo, I started this post for those of who have tasted the Gospel _ albeit TWI's take on it — and made a decision on what to do with it now that we are out. For us with a similar background its a fair question. But I do understand your answer.

Raf you have got to see the original. It shows that (gasp) Sinatra could act.

Well, I liked the movie. I thought it had an interesting premise and instead of the Corman/TZ genre films, this one had some good points. Maybe ya'll are just too jaded.

It is funny that since Communism is no longer the enemy, Hollywood chose capitalism instead. And if you listen the vets who fought with Kerry, does it not sound like the soldiers in both movies?

I want to hear from former wayers who have rejected Christianity. I want to know why. I promise not to scoff or mock your responses.

The differences between Paul and James may be sign that disagreement can be healthy for a church.

Didn't vpw say in piffle, "I do not like the word dispensation" Well we know how much he hated catholics, maybe the hatred of the word was a result.

Angry and ignorant of the facts (about Christianity at least.)

OK Oak I'll response to your response to my response to Geo Aar. (Geo, thanks for being so tolerant. Surely, your way is the most loving of all.) _George is not claiming to be _loving_, just rational. You may argue about the logic and reasonableness of his stance...heck, you can even comment on his (lack of) love, but not as if it's the argument he is making_ You know Oak, for a smart aleck like yourself, you have a hard time fathoming SARCASM. All I was doing is spouting back at Geo. What's your proof that God does not exist? _As you well know, you can't prove a negative. George is _NOT_ claiming that he has proof that God does not exist, merely that you have no proof that he _does_. YOU have no proof that the tooth fairy _DOES NOT_ exist, or Santa Claus, or any other of the non-Christian gods. I have a written record and creation. _You view that written record as proof of something that is _in_ the written record, it's a classic circular argument. Creation is not proof of God. Personally, I lean toward intelligent design, but not for any reasons that I can defend, it's just a personal preference, but the existance of something doesn't require that an intelligence (i.e. God) was behind it_ OK, so you don't like my proof. But I am arguing against someone with whom I don't have an agreed premise. Um, I think it was God. _"Um", you base that on what? That the bible says that of itself? Again, a circular argument, which is worthless. {Yes, Oak, I believe the Bible to be the best testimony about it and God that we have today. If you want to disagree with me, so be it.} Read your Bible again, we know who wrote many books_We know who _claims_ to have written many of the books, but it is far from unanimous, even among bibliocal scholars. _ {We know people wrote it by inspiration. We know most of the writers of the New Testament and a good idea on many other books. Hard to say who wrote all the books of the OT, like many a work from back then the ruler/chief got credit for a lot.} we have non-biblical sources who testify that Jesus existed, and we know archaelogists have used the Bible to find so-called "lost" cities_Even if the questionable non-biblical sources _are_ true, all that they tell us that a person with the name Jesus (or the Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek/Latin equivalent) lived during the time indicated. Finding "lost" cities is a long way from talking donkeys and walking on water_ {That's not intellectually honest and you know it. The non-biblical records (and I am talking more than Josephus) talk about Jesus, Christ, and some even mention Pilate. As for the supernatural events mentioned in the Bible why is it so hard to imagine them happening. Why do you want to put God in a box?} *yes we do **ahem, we have the Gospels, the letters and the testimony of the non-biblical [pagan critics]} _I adressed this line of reasoning already_ {And did a mighty poor job of it too, I might add.} ***And your point being? _The point is that what you _have_, are other peoples' opinions and impressions of what Jesus said, assumimng that there _was_ a Jesus. _ {And it appears you want to use the same arguments that say there wasn't a Jesus, just because someone said so. The main proof is the spread of Christianity in a pagan world 2000 years ago. Why would these men and women concoct a lie that would cost them their lives? The passion and zeal they expressed in their lives points to an encounter with something marvelous.} It's unknown to you because you choose to reject any knowledge of it. _Typical weak arghument. "I can't convince you by evidense, so it must be _YOU_ who don't _WANT_ to see._ {Sorry, this isn't a weak argument. I am dealing with someone who tasted the gospel. He got burnt by TWI and now rejects all things Christian. I was burnt too, but I kept searching and found some truth to hang onto. The more people reject God's calling and knocking on their hearts, the harder their hearts become. I call them like I see them. I have learned so much about the warts and wrinkles about the faith that I am not afraid to hear the criticisms.} And no, we are not to blindly accept anything. This isn't the kool-aid line. Christianity is a very reasonable faith. _It's only reasonable (which is debateable) if you accept the premises, which are not at all self-evident_ {OK let's set up some premises and we'll go through them}

It is also possible that he just grabbed words and phrases while patching his theology together.

Song has been lots of places.

It wasn't until I got out of TWI that I understood that ALL Christians are to help the poor and needy. Even biblical research and teaching ministries.