Larry N Moore

Actually, I don't think I was. I'm not sure why you would think so but, I'll accept it's the way you look at it. As I see it, Bluzeman in response to this . . . . . . asked this . . . He then goes on to say . . . This confirms that he was specifically asking for any quotes where he (Oldiesman) accused VICTIMS of lying with regards to BAD EXPERIENCES. To this you responded . . . When you stated you were going to "find IT" it is only reasonable to assume that you were referring to occurrences where Oldiesman called VICTIMS of BAD EXPERIENCES liars with regards to their BAD EXPERIENCES. I don't see (in the pages you cited) that occurring. There certainly wasn't an ENTIRE page where you and he discussed where Oldiesman called VICTIMS of BAD EXPERIENCES liars. If there was I don't think I would have missed it. Most of what I saw was where Oldiesman was defending himself against false accusations made concerning him. In any case – I see where Bluzeman didn't pressure you to apologize to him, nor where Oldiesman ask for one so it doesn't really matter even though I still think an apology is in order. I agree with him when he says "I do believe some posters are great at spinning, like Wordwolf." I see the same thing and I suppose that is the only reason why I even bothered adding my two cents on this side-issue.

This sounds interesting. What was so special about it? I can't remember that particular truck stop.

It was a very interesting and fun time. I learned a lot. We lived in apartments in Delaware. I don't know if that was north of Powell or west. We laid the foundation for the garden on the other side of the creek that ran through the property. I remember building the bridge that crossed it. I remember shucking peas -- is that what it's called? We worked secular jobs throughout the week. Myself and about four others all worked at a commercial laundry. Yep, yep, yep, and then some. We spent all our time together. I think we only got together two nights a week. Maybe only one. Burton was teaching us from the book of Acts. I didn't care too much for the fruit salad. I imagine you must have had a bad food experience though.

I was a FL of Ohio in its first year. I believe that was 1974-75. It didn't become a two year commitment until after I had left. P.S. Hmm . . . What was the biggest impact it had on my life? Learning to love people despite their short-comings. Of course, it helped to learn how many I had myself.

I'm trying to figure out what all of THAT has to do with THIS. Perhaps you may wish to quote the EXACT phrase where Oldiesman called someone who claimed to be a victim of abuse a liar. I wasn't able to do so but, perhaps I overlooked it. Reading through all the posts from the pages you cited didn't help me one bit to agree with you.

I suppose if God was "calling me" to "join" I might give serious thought to doing so with just about any group out there. It would have to be more than just a "still small voice" calling me though. More like a loud booming voice -- a burning bush would be nice. I'm not sure why God would bother with "calling" me to join any group at this point in my life.

That one almost made me spit my soda pop out on my screen! Stop being funny before I end up getting electrocuted. ;)

:) I'm not so sure I would take my own word for anything. I sometimes forget what I say.

excathedra, look up the word speculate and you'll see I was following someone else's lead. I suppose, I could have simply said (as you have) -- What?

Socks that was quite a good analysis you put forth there. If I may --- When you say: "Having met Chris in 1970 and known him off and on for about 15 years plus" --- In what capacity did you know Chris?

Can't figure out if you're speaking from personal experience or just plain jealousy. Or did you have an arrangement of swapping your female soldiers for his?

Thanks Danny. I appreciate that. I'll be away for awhile and will give this topic some prayerful consideration.

Hmm . . . interesting. You wouldn't be attempting to shut me up, now would ya? :)

I think it was better without the explanation, butt if you must you must.

:) Thanks doojable. Have a good night. This sleepy head is off to bed.

You might have noticed that I actually use my given name to post. It's easier to remember who I am. ;) I don't usually commit to memory the actual names of those who choose to post with screen IDs and therefore I really wouldn't know if Raf happens to be John or Tom or Pete or whatever. In that Groucho followed up my post with what might be considered a question (related to my comment) and then someone else followed that up by referring to Mike I assumed that they were one and the same. My mistake. Is that clarification enuf for you?

Nope, I don't. Thanks for the links but, if I can expect to read more of the same from him that I've read in the post that I responded to, I would have to have an extreme case of diarrhea and completely out of toilet paper.

Like another poster -- I haven't smoke pot for over thirty-five years. Whenever I did I had one thing in mind -- getting stoned. Now -- I do drink alcohol occasionally but I don't drink to get drunk or relaxed. Some people might say if I was anymore relaxed than I already am I might be mistaken for being dead. I tend to think that anyone who drinks to get drunk has some issues. Likewise, anyone who smokes pot to get high probably has some issues. I don't see either of them doing anything more than temporarily masking a problem -- iow -- a band-aid.

Groucho, if that's a question you've asked the wrong one. You should have been more curious as to why I thought it was unfortunate that his stuff wasn't published. But don't ask me now. Let him do so if he's so inclined.

Of course there's no problem Eagle to challenge someone's opinion. Maybe it was just the tone of your challenge that could be a problem. I suppose. if you would have just asked the man why he thought VP was a "Man of God" it would have come across more as you being curious instead of eager to attack. But what the heck do I know -- other than how I see things and I've been told so many times that I'm blind that sometimes I feel like that's not a bad condition to be afflicted with.

Bramble when I first read your response I couldn't help scratching my head wondering what I said to set you off. I'm still scratching my head (and I'll probably do so until my hair falls out). So, rather than respond to what I think you've possibly misunderstood I'll simply apologize for causing you to be offended. They say "curiosity killed the cat." Fortunately, I think I have a few lives left of the nine. :)

What took you so long Jean? She (another spot) does have a humble disposition, that's for sure. And she can be a real sweet-heart. With those two qualities alone I wouldn't care if she couldn't spell correctly if her life depended upon it. I guess I should have clarified the pronoun "she" was referring to another spot.

You do have a way with words, my dear man. It's just unfortunate you don't publish your stuff.

Hammeroni, you'll have to pardon me if I come across as unsympathetic to your experiences at the hands of Geer (or any former leader of TWI). I'm trying to understand as best I can how people feel and not sharing those feelings at any time in my life doesn't help me do so. IOW -- I cannot discount your feelings nor suggest that they are something you should get beyond -- although I get the sense that that is one of the objectives of this board. Anyways . . . If you're waiting for Geer to "man up" to his past mistakes you might go to your deathbed with peace being unobtainable. I, myself, don't look for peace from men -- they have a way of disappointing you more than once. It's easier for me just to shrug my shoulders at people who have harmed me than to go after them with expectations I might never realize.

I thought the woman who filled in for him did a much better job than Snow himself. :)