Rocky

As far as we've heard, nobody has located Barnard at this time.

I remember getting yelled at by wierwille a time or two, but don't recall ever having a pleasant conversation with him. Loy, OTOH, I talked with a few times but nothing memorable.

I remember getting yelled at by wierwille a time or two, but don't recall ever having a pleasant conversation with him. Loy, OTOH, I talked with a few times but nothing memorable.

btw, I am male. :)

And psychopathy.

Well....when I think about all those hours spent listening to wierwille in nightowls, meetings, and 'sharing his heart'.....most all of it was just common, everyday stuff. No biggie. No revelation. No grand plan. No secrets to the universe.

Sure, wierwille sprinkled in some scripture and all......but really, he was nothing special.

My grandfathers had the SAME insight.....SIMILAR stories. And, about every farmer in our county could spend hours

giving you the ins-and-outs about farming, weather, seasons, livestock, harvesting, family matters, etc. Of course,

wierwille knew how to embellish a story, and add dramatic flavor and all. But he was the average rural preacher....

nothing more.

Having an entourage of yes-men fronting his entrance, and a valet/bodyguard might have made him look like

a Michael Bloomberg billionaire......but really, if wierwille would have not added all the fanfare to his

posturing and mystique, he was just average. That's all.

The trappings of narcissism.

when the advanced class failed me from healing people, i pinned my hopes on the way corps training ( thinking did i not get it ? )

i also think i was influenced that it was the only way to be really spiritual and help to the greatest degree

i want to apologize to my sponsors i really do

i'm sorry

i hope i didn't change in the sense of acting elite

but i know for sure i didn't come through in helping people more

There was a LOT of that... you are definitely not alone.

So, where are all the 3,500 corps grads today?

What is the result of wierwille's spiritual "elite" corps grads?

Scattered to the four winds.

Some decided to actually have a life of their own choosing.

The doulos "teaching" wasn't even subtle in its manipulation/indoctrination.

Become slaves to TWI as a surrogate for God.

He said he could be running a Fortune 500 company - not just working for it. Didn't VPW start that lie? And LCM with his massive ego sorry humility believed it.

But he might be working for one now - who knows?

Any Fortune 500 company he was CEO for would soon be a Fortune 500million company - if that well off. He ran TWI into the ground, financially.

I don't think anyone here has any up to date information. Some years ago (10 years?) he was reputed to be working for a home handyman store or some such. He's no doubt moved or been moved on since then. Maybe moved on spiritually, too.

Nope, still moping around Toledo. Still, as I understand, living in that TWI paid for home and receiving a respectable (size) pension. Woe is him.

For as much as they used and abused us- the media really doesn't care about them, even the Loyster. They are just too stupid to profile on national TV. Any thoughts?

When Victor Barnard is found and brought to justice, corporate media will have renewed interest in TWI.

would you go back?

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rocky, i am about halfway through that study you posted and i AM TOTALLY TOTALLY TOTALLY AMAZED. thank you a million times

Definitely an eye opener.

You are certainly welcome.

Neither celebrate nor mourn for me. I'm beyond both.

But I may find something else to celebrate.

HERE is one.

Here's another. Victor Barnard.

Social psychologist Philip Zimbardo on the Lucifer Effect.

It's directly related to what took place in The Way and in Victor Barnard's cult.

"Perhaps no one comprehends the roots of depravity and cruelty better than Philip Zimbardo. He is renowned for such research as the Stanford Prison Experiment, which demonstrated how, in the right circumstances, ordinary people can swiftly become amoral monsters. Evil is not so much inherent in individuals, Zimbardo showed, but emerges dependably when a sequence of dehumanizing and stressful circumstances unfolds."

You can skip the first 4:45 wihich is entirely introductions

It's all about lack of social accountability.

A message that, I believe, the Lord God is STILL sending......to every cult out there.

Purpose: That they may serve me.

Close, but you have to take out the spaces to make it work (not magic, but on Twitter) #LetMyPeopleGo

Really, as someone a million miles away from England and U.S.A , yes it (seems )it is an American thing. Everything somehow needs to be dramatized ! Having lived in the States and a number of other countries for a time, it appears many get confused where the daytime soap operas end and reality begins. I'm all for telling your story but maybe let it be done as a genuine warning to others and bringing bad people to justice and not as a therapeutical/celebrity/money spinning exercize. Unwittingly that oftenly ends up quasi glorifying the crime !

"Everything somehow needs to be dramatized!"

It's somebody's story. She has a right to tell it. What anyone does with it after that is not something she can be expected to control.

I don't mind criticism (not necessarily assuming you were criticizing any one of the posters/commenters here, including me), but I will offer some in return. Have you even considered what it's like to be in Ms. Knight's shoes?

I have plenty of disdain for corporate media that may exploit the situation for a salacious ratings grab, but really if the person whose story it is wants the story told, and people are interested in knowing it, who am I to judge her?

She doesn't come off as a publicity hound, but rather as someone who did, indeed experience unspeakable horror. It's not my place to judge her. I question whether it's any of ours.

What constant news coverage?

I meant that in a generic sense. What we used to call "human interest segments" now seem to overshadow actual news events dealing with relevant information. Back in the day, news was a vehicle for providing needed information and facts. Now, there's far too much editorializing and sensationalism. (IMO)

My question then would be, why are you watching it?

Another excerpt from Kristen's post (linked above):

The code of silence is penetrated through one’s initial decision to heal and one’s courage to begin to tell the truth about oneself in a safe place. This, accompanied by education about physical, sexual, psychological and spiritual abuse allows the individual to start on the journey towards wholeness. True expression of one’s feelings, especially anger, makes healing possible. As one grows stronger, one may even expand the stage of disclosure to include the world at large.

So then, truth begets truth. Light begets light. But it is not enough to know the truth. Survivors of abuse are accustomed to disconnecting psychologically and emotionally from a painful reality . This dissociation is a major survival tool. In order to heal, it becomes necessary to connect with oneself, not dissociate from the trauma. In mind control situations, this again becomes doubly difficult because the conscience, overtaken by the cult leader, becomes an inner abuser and oppressor.

ps. i hope michelle knight makes tons of money from her book

<3 Me too.

Btw, Kristen S, author of Losing the Way wrote something on the subject back in 2008.

On Breaking the Code of Silence

Written by Kristen Skedgell Saturday, 29 March 2008

In order to speak, one must have a voice. Now this might seem obvious to most people but to people who have been abused in a cult, it's not always the case. The voice has been overtaken by another stronger voice, the voice of the leader. Through mind control, the cult leader imposes his will and views on the follower so the follower loses her own will and views. When mind control is accompanied by physical or sexual abuse, the task of speaking up becomes even more complicated and difficult.

continued

thank you rocky. the only reason i sometimes can't read these things - except in little bittie pieces - is because it takes me back to where i am still afraid to go at times

twinky, if this is an "american" thing i'm even prouder to be one

i say kudos to this gal and may it help her healing and many many others who are out there

love,ex

ps. years ago (but not that many) children who were assaulted molested beaten ravaged, etc., by their parents, uncles aunts priests teachers counselors coaches police etc. etc. etc. etc. KEPT THEIR MOUTHS SHUT

i thank God and our lord Jesus Christ that this has been changing

I agree... if this gal wants to tell her story publicly, that's up to her. She's brave. And yes, I can see how it can represent difficult triggers sometimes.

I understand Lindsay T (one of Victor Barnard's "maidens") has spoken with Karl Kahler... it might be interesting to see what Karl might be up to by digging into the VB saga.

I know this book isn't about TWI, but it is about the journey one young woman is taking after escape from 10 years of horrendous abuse in capitvity in Cleveland.

It might provide some encouragement for those who suffered spiritual and sexual abuse in TWI.

Finding Me by Michelle Knight.

Oh. So, IF he could leave the country and somehow get there without being tracked,

he could sponge off of them. That gives a reason to think he'd WANT to hide there.

It's not like that's the country of refugees, it's the country where he has assets.

But the first point of "wanted criminals can't just buy plane tickets, go through

customs, and be ignored" still applies.

Interesting story you linked to-although hardly shocking by now based on what we

already knew about the guy.

Certainly not shocking at this point. Btw, I didn't post that to contradict you.

This is 2014. Every year, it gets harder to travel from country to country

without leaving a digital trail. If he flew out of the US, then there is documentation

of when and where he left, and details of the plane tickets, etc.

More likely, he's hiding in the US with his head down. There's so many things he would

need to do to hide in Brazil- like SPEAK PORTUGUESE, and get currency- which is a good

trick if you can't present ID and can't access an account in your name to do it.

Hiding in the US, he can sponge off his adherents and keep his head down. Frankly,

it's no different than how Osama Bin Laden managed to hide as long as he did.

Got something personal against Brazil? I'm just curious how that idea just dropped

out of nowhere...

Apparently, VB has followers in and from Brazil.

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New news, an additional report from Fox9.

From what I've read, he scammed people by making telemarketing calls (recording them)...he would ask a question that nearly everyone answers "yes" to...he would then edit the tapes so that it sounded like the people were saying "yes" to buying his voice mail service...they would then be billed about $14 bucks a month on their phone bills under miscellaneous...the tip off to the FCC was that he sold over 119,000 accounts and only 12 were actually in use...119,000 times 14 bucks is over a million dollars a month! Multiply that by about 6 years and there's the 70 million. Scheesh! I think I would have quit after a few months and walked away with enough to live on easy street...did he think he would never get caught?

To answer Excie's question, I think he had the ministry of Flim Flam.

I was thinking, "grifter" but Flim Flam fits well.

After reading the entire document....Why did it take 2 years to issue a warrant? WTF?

There likely have been multiple factors contribute to the delay. Two that I think are likely:

Lazy prosecutor and public accountability.

County attorneys have built-in rationalizations for procrastination. They can (almost) always claim that

they don't believe they have enough evidence to secure a conviction. That was something cited in the Fox 9

news coverage.

And the fact that county attorneys are elected positions, the public pressure brought to bear by the local news

investigation was likely enough to light a fire under his butt.

That said, there are still several obstacles to securing conviction, the first being finding him.

All accounts seem to indicate, however, that VB is one seriously slick operator who probably thinks he can talk his way out

of any jam.

If his closest confidants believe that, maybe they will encourage him to turn himself in and let it play out in court.

I still don't understand how, why, a guy I knew very well back in the day has followed Barnard to Washington, and if reports are correct, long ago 'gave' his daughter over to him. It also seems that there's as good a possibility that Barnard is holed up at this guy's house as anyones, which would make for an interesting news day.

Others who knew VB's wife have been surprised she was not "smart enough" to see through his BS and let him get away with this stuff for so long.

Indications seem to be that "smartness" has nothing to do with any of this.

THE MAN OF GOD --- Jesus Christ

The Man of God For Our Time --- Jesus Christ

The Man of God, The Son of God --- Jesus Christ

The Man of God Of The Universe --- Jesus Christ

The Man of God Whom God Resurrected --- Jesus Christ

The Man of God We've Been Waiting For --- Jesus Christ

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Victor Paul Wierwille was a hireling, at best.......a wolf, at worst.

The guy was known to proudly wear his "the man of God" bracelet.

The guy who plagiarized his way thru life with pompous fanfare.

The guy who had a motorcoach, a bodyguard and a predatory disposition.

Victor Barnard was a Corps grad. Look where that corps training took him.

Yeah.....THAT corps training that focused on discipline and strict obedience.

The guy got to where he wanted his followers to call him "the word in the flesh."

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Barnard had, as one former follower put it, Wierwille's spiritual DNA.

Having both a daughter and a granddaughter, here's how I feel about Victor Barnard...