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Sexual Predation is EVIL.
yes, it is. Targeting children, regardless of gender, is using and abusing vulnerable people.
Martin Buber (Hebrew: מרטין בובר; February 8, 1878 – June 13, 1965) was an Austrian-born Jewish philosopher best known for his philosophy of dialogue, a form of religious existentialism centered on the distinction between the I-Thou relationship and the I-It relationship.
To Wierwille, the target was an IT, not a THOU. Treating a person as "Thou" was to acknowledge and accept the dignity of the particular individual. Then, the other person is important in and or herself or himself as opposed to what purpose he or she fulfilled in relation to me.
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This semester, I'm teaching math at the basement level.
the local community college hired me before I had the degree.
So what am I teaching.. the last two math classes that anyone else did not take.
they have no idea of what they are missing.
I have assumed the role of my last professor..
I feel like I'm some kind of Indian guide, helping these students through the wilderness..
I know where they need to go and why..
it really can't get better than this..
well, if it can.. it will be when I have some of the same students in Intermediate Algebra, pre calc, calculus..
I couldn't even "get" calculus as a sophomore undergrad. Probably the hardest class I ever took., besides advanced accounting. I sometimes dream of what it would be like to earn a law degree...
So, corngradumation HAM!
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Already did -- twice. :-)
did you try looking Ken Sudduth up on facebook?
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Thanks, "Broken Arrow," for your condolences. The thing I really have a concern with, however, is how my brother will do after working so long with TWI and being so close to retirement age. I know TWI isn't famous for its...uh...generosity.....
Keith,
Ken Sudduth is on facebook. Have you tried to reach him there?
(I had misspelled his name)
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Maybe I'm just trying to get it as well.
He's involved in a non-profit "religious" organization, that backs him.
He makes a break from the "liberal" republican party, and makes an independent run for senate..
when he loses the race, pitifully, at that.. his involvement with the group ends "abruptly". By his admission, practically the second he lost the election..
too many unanswered questions here. Too bad he won't come by to post..
I only have a few questions.
1. The abrupt departure, was it on your terms, or on "theirs"? Was the victoid calm and understanding about your defeat? Or were you exposed to what could be described as "not his good side"? What was the last communication with hq like? Well.. this is all one question. Just needs a few details.. I'm sure you remember them, like they happened yesterday..
2. Did you previously buy into the victoid's wild conspiracy theories bought from the press of liberty lobby? Or currently?
I suspect that it was more his decision having seen how Wierwille got people in a religious organization to do political organizing field work. He may have gotten feedback from people in Maine who recognized the implications of that particular problematic arrangement.
It's not that other religious organizations haven't blurred (crossed) the line between political and religious activity (on both sides of the political spectrum). Rather, this was incredibly blatant given the fact that TWI was, at that time, a quickly growing, but still VERY small religious group.
And a more "mature" religious group probably would have had the smarts to find ways to make it less obvious that they were sending their religious volunteers to do political field work.
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I'd agree with you, mstar1. That or an attempt to water down his contact with the ministry. You know, like when kids try to excuse bad actions: "Yah, I did it, but then so do lots of people."
SoCrates
It ain't just kids that do that. It's very human and very common.
And I'd say it was likely intended to do both what Mstar said as well as to water down his experience with TWI.
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This isn't the only website that links Hayes with TWI.
I've googled myself... not only do I find things about (and written by) me, but there are several other people with the same name in the US, including some interesting and accomplished people. It's an odd feeling to read one's own name associated with other people's exploits and accomplishments. Fortunately, all of what I've found about the others with my name is good stuff.
But that also goes to the question of how you can be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all. :)
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I had enough by Christmas of interim year. However, I thought it was my fault. It took about five more years before I realized it wasn't me but the program. Life goes on. :)
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March Forth!
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Excie makes a good point. Thank you to all of you, 9th Corps and friends, for making this thread such an interesting, funny, and healing place. I can't say "See you at the Rock," but some day, we'll all be together at that big Ice Cream Bowl in the sky; until then, I certainly hope to run into you again, somewhere along the way, if fate permits. John Richeson's Way Corps ning site might be a nice way to keep in touch. I love you!
"My heart can sing
When I pause to remember
A heartache here is but a stepping stone
Along the path that's winding always upward
This troubled world is not my final home.
But until then, my heart will go on singing.
Until then, with joy I'll carry on.
Until the day my eyes behold The City,
Until the day God calls us home."
Tremendous thanks to Pawtucket for the intense labors of time, love, and personal expense that this site has been. Let's all pray for him as he goes through this transition.
facebook works too... love you niKa and excie! and Simonzelotes and the rest of you wild and wacky people. :)
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Chatty Kathy
in Open
Hi Chatty! Now I'm wondering who all else may make an appearance!
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I mentioned that I had already made my decision when I started the poll, and after all is said and done, I'm still sticking with my original thought.
When the kids were small and we were still in TWI, we were fairly close. But leaving TWI changed all that, and for the past 13 years or so, we have had very limited contact. I am not close at all with the kids or their parents, and have not been for over a decade.
When one of the kids got married a few years ago, our family was not invited to the wedding. We were invited to the reception, which was off grounds. I did not go to the reception.
Now, I'm invited to the next wedding, which is on grounds.
However, I don't care to ever again grace the grounds of TWI with my presence. That place is full of painful memories. It is where I was betrayed by people I trusted. Repeatedly. It is where friends were raped. Repeatedly. Even if I WAS still close with my niece, which I am not, I would not go there for those reasons.
And, although TWI is now willing to "welcome" me back on grounds, it's a little lopsided. You see, in their own eyes they are being "charitable" and playing the part of "The Forgiving Father" by allowing a "prodigal son" to come back "home". But hell, that's not even lopsided. It's bass-ackwards.
The Way International is no "forgiving father". It is the organization of The Way International and their salaried representatives who committed offenses against me and my family; grievous offenses, which cost us dearly in many ways. For these offenses The Way International never directly admitted their error nor apoligized to me or to my family personally, formally, nor even informally. They simply want to act as if nothing ever happened.
And, my family which is still in TWI has also grievously hurt me, my husband, and especially my daughter by shunning us for years. After we left TWI, their hateful correspondence, snide comments, backhanded insinuations, and double entendres long ago made my daughter and I decide we would limit their access to us. These offenses have neither been admitted to us nor apologized for, personally, formally, nor even informally. No one-- neither The Way International nor our family still in TWI--- wants to admit they f*ked up, badmouthed us to our friends, destroyed our reputations, and hurt us even to our faces--without cause. They now want to act as if it never happened.
I'm all for acting as if it never happened, AFTER a proper recognition of the pain they caused and an apology for their actions which caused that pain. That I can forgive.
My husband is much more willing to ignore their offenses than I am. He plans on attending and will bring a gift. They are his blood relatives, so I understand, and am fine with that. But I will not go, nor will my daughter.
Fences need to be mended. And you don't mend fences by ignoring the gaping hole you ripped into the fence. I'm willing to let bygones be bygones once the offence is recognized and apologized for. Otherwise, I am leaving myself open to be hurt again by people who hurt me in the past, who refuse to recognize they have done so.
If I were still close to my innie family, I would send a gift. A gift will arrive, regardless. But I will NEVER set foot on the grounds of The Way International again.
Makes complete sense to me.
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Francis Poole fell asleep Oct 23, 2010. Fran touched many lives and hearts.
My condolences Al... and to Bill. Thank you for sharing this with us.
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hey OE- I will try to catch Rocky on his Facebook page tonight and direct him here
We've connected on facebook... tnks Hap. :)
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http://www.foxnews.c...e-nielsen-dead/
I just read that Leslie Nielsen passed away. He will be missed.The funny thing is that even though he's best known for his comedies he started as a serious actor in such classics as "Forbidden Planet."
With Leslie Nielsen, there were LOTS of funny (hilarious) things... definitely a loss. So many people remember him fondly. :)
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In The Way Magazine GMIR section Karen Masterson wrote an article (March-April 1984 p.17)
An Aramaic Approach to the Church Epistles
She was with the 9th way corps and also gave the material in a presentation at TWI HQ in 1983
I am very interested in this area of research and would love to make contact with her.
James Trimm
She sometimes visits greasespot cafe. But I will let her know you posted this...
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Happy May Day, everybody! Let's all put flowers in our hair, and dance.
Okay, well, then, let's all at least look at some flowers and shimmy.
I have a some flower pics in an album on facebook... I don't seem to be able to post any here right now... please feel free to check them out there. :)
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I agree. In my view it would be redundant to have a FB page for GSC. Besides, if you're like me and read up about FB, you know there are plenty of privacy, security, etc. issues with it. I deactivated my page there last Dec. - my personal choice. Has anyone else here read Jaron Lanier's recent book, You Are Not a Gadget? Very thought-provoking along these lines. He coined the phrase and is the "father" of virtual reality.
BTW - It is interesting that without having an active FB account, I can still access FB pages from links which are posted here or from other sources who send me links to FB pages...so much for security...if however I try to go directly to the FB main page, though, I have to sign in, which I cannot do at present. Go figure...
The ability to see some pages on fb is due to the privacy setting for that person's (or group or whatever) links being set to allow everybody. The only "main" page facebook has, in my understanding, is each member's home page for his or her profile. So, for you to go to a main page, you would have to have a profile to sign in to... and since you don't that's why you can't... does that make sense?
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Jay Dennis (creator)
The entire facebook profile is about Wierwille. Don't eat lunch yet and check it out your own self. I've already had my hands slapped for not agreeing w/ them and my posts deleted. That's ok, probably will do it again.
I think T H Smith exaggerated his educational background and maybe more on his fb profile.
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God first
thanks everybody
I have him yet but I look forward to reading it
with love and a holy kiss Roy
It's an amazing essay... however, I hope you are aware that it has nothing to do with Glenn Beck and GB is working on ripping off Paine... if GB is who brought this to your attention.
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Hi Rock
THIS SITE lists them as different people with different skill sets and different 'gifts' <_< :)
It lists Rood as a "False Prophet", while Trimm is a "pathological liar"
Cool... tnks. :)
Sexual Predators in TWI.....and elsewhere
in About The Way
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Bingo!
First off, this was an authoritarian sub-culture. see Altameyer's work, The Authoritarians.
Secondly, the doctrine (an example of which was cited above by waysider) was (IMO intentionally) established to rationalize and/or self-justify the narcissistic behavior of TWIs authoritarian power structure.
I used "power structure" intentionally rather than "leadership" because leadership, biblically speaking, was the exact opposite of self-serving.
I specifically chose to NOT become career military, even though I served one hitch in the USAF, because I did not envision myself as a serf in an authoritarian culture.
I left TWI when I recognized that the accountability in that subculture was bass ackward. Instead of the power structure being accountable to those the bible said should be served (the people in the fellowships), in TWI, it was overtly the opposite.