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Rascal, IGNORING DOES WORK. Ignoring (aka DON'T FEED THE TROLL) is NOT the same as turning a blind eye. Ignoring in this case is refusing to meet the unspoken (or sometimes spoken) demand of the troll to play the game by his rules. When NO ONE takes the bait, the troll starves to death. This IS effective and perhaps the most merciful approach overall. Turning a blind eye is to essentially recognize a behavior that is done for a different reason (for example, Rosie turned a blind eye to Martindale's pervasive sexual harassment in the workplace). The behavior of the violator in that situation, the sexual predator, was NOT being done for the purpose of getting people to engage the predator in verbal sparring. Instead, Rosie's turning a blind eye, in that situation ENABLED the predator to feed his evil lust by using people without detection by many... because Rosie KNEW but didn't speak up and out. COMPLETELY different motivations of the perpetrators of the unacceptable actions/conduct. Now I SEE -- PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Do NOT even respond. Do NOT even acknowledge. This WILL WORK when it is done consistently. Now I SEE -- PLEASE do NOT feed the troll. Do not even address any point the troll posts. This WILL work when done consistently.

Abi, The solution is SIMPLY -- Do NOT feed the troll. Do not answer. Do not respond. Do not reply. Do not REASON with. Just IGNORE it. Consciously. Deliberately. Consistently. Universally. Nothing more. Nothing less. Do NOT acknowledge ANY point the troll thinks it's making. When EVERYONE does this consistently, it will (eventually) work. It will not necessarily be by banning the troll, but if it (the troll) is ignored by all, if the bait is NEVER taken, it ceases to meet whatever need it represents to the troll. Period. End of story.

Well put.

Garth... PLEASE don't feed the troll.

And so, you will continue to feed the troll? I certainly hope not. If you are a wise man, you'll investigate my claim. However, trolls are generally NOT wise people.

Come on dude, don't be that way... you know she did NOT say that. But she DID say similar to what I said about each individual figuring out what works for them... why do you want to argue?

This is PARADISE!!! :)

Not a snow ball's chance in Phoenix in August of THAT EVER happening. However, experience has demonstrated dramatically that NOTHING like "show[ing] them the error in their thought" will change them. Sociologists have observed that for adults to change personal values takes a major "significant emotional event" in the life of the person who will make the change. Showing the error of their ways (or thoughts, or beliefs or actions... etc.) is NOT the kind of "significant emotional event" that will cause a troll like WD to change his values. Changing values Could there ever be an opportunity to change these values and, thus, change attitudes which result in new behavior? According to Dr. Morris Massey, a noted national speaker and expert on values, it would take a "significant emotional event" to do this. (continued, including to list examples of such events, at the link provided)...

Congrats to daughter for THAT massive weight loss and life gain!!!! :) Absolutely...

Yes, metabolism. Thanks for reminding me. Intake is only one side of the equation. Expenditure of calories is the other side of that equation. Exercise and other lifestyle issues have a key role in that expenditure. For me, I didn't really start losing weight until I started a regular exercise regimen that included BOTH cardio (aerobic) exercise AND resistance/muscle development/weightlifting. And when one starts regular weightlifting, he generally GAINS weight at first. However, the added MUSCLE BURNS CALORIES. Whereas, FAT only STORES calories.

btw, BEST WISHES for long life and health to PAWTUCKET, especially for the adventure involved in the medically supervised diet. :eusa_clap:

I'm not interested in a p1$$ing match with you sudo. Bottom line is that if you don't want to eat pasta, don't eat it. I find nothing inappropriate with including pasta in my regular eating plans. This is certainly NOT a game of who's right or wrong. It's a matter for each individual to find what works for him or her. For the long run, the very best idea is to determine what you can eat that will satisfy your hungers and cravings while taking in the least amount of calories -- in a way that you can maintain for the rest of your life. That means the whole concept of going on "a diet" is faulty, IMO. And yes, I think Taubes's book is a gold mine of insight waiting to be had...

I appreciate the feedback on my suggestion. I agree with cman... I don't find any fault with rhino's criticism of my idea. Indeed, the bottom line is that WD acts like a troll, whether he is one technically or not... and the ONLY way to get him to shut up is for there to be complete and total absence of response to him... just plain ignore him... do NOT engage him in any way, or to any degree. He has clearly and emphatically demonstrated that there is a complete disengagement from reality on his part. Any effort to "convince" him of anything (i.e. reason with, persuade of, etc. etc.) will NOT succeed. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

It is unambiguously unmistakable ignoring of the troll when there is a complete disregard for it (the troll). When (any) one person addresses the troll (as you did in your 7:34am (pdt) entry today in the last sentence), it feeds the troll. When (any) one person addresses, quotes, or responds to the troll's post, it feeds the troll. If it comes up that a new person seeks to post a first hand experience, and the troll replies, that new person can be contacted by PM to encourage the new person and explain that the troll will not be acknowledged openly. Please, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

I hope that's not JUST from reading the thread! :) Indeed, encouragement from friends is a great ingredient to a successful weight management plan.

Tzaia -- PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL. The preponderance of evidence shows that he/it (WD/WD) is NOT doing ANYthing other than seeking attention and throwing out bait to see if anyone will pay attention. The ONLY way to get it to stop is to NOT FEED the troll.

Mark, please DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Lifted... please don't feed the troll. Rascal, the ONLY thing you succeeded in doing with this post is to give the troll feedback letting him know someone actually read what he posted. I can't believe anyone, after the discussion we've had thus far over the last couple of weeks, would take it (WD) seriously enough to actually read its drivel. I know I didn't and pledge to not. There's NO question that he is a p1$$ poor debater/arguer/"advocate"/"attorney" DON'T FEED THE TROLL. Excellently put. Succinct and poignant. Cman said, in different words, DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Here are nutritional facts from the latest package of pasta I purchased from Trader Joe's (a month or so ago): Trader Giotto's Multigrain spaghetti with flax (one pound with 8-2 oz servings) Calories per serving: 190 Calories from fat: 10 Protein: 9 grams/serving (I aim for 100 grams/protein daily) Dietary fiber: 5 grams/serving (roughly 1/5 of daily requirement of fiber) This product (in my CONSIDERED opinion) is rich in critical macronutrients. And Chas, going into ketosis is NOT a wise thing to do for long term weight management. What works best for the long term is to make changes to your eating plans/habits that you can maintain for a lifetime. Atkins, for the longterm, IS setting yourself up for problems with digestive organs. And Chas, if it's research you're interested in, a book I have but haven't started reading yet is: Good Calories, Bad Calories challenging the conventional wisdom on diet, weight control and disease by Gary Taubes I've had it recommended to me and a registered nutritionist is also reading it, so I hope to have feedback from her soon too. Taubes METICULOUSLY documents and cites research. You should be able to get this book from your local library.

I disagree. Pasta is one of those PLANT based protein/carb combinations. HIGH in protein, generally. Contains significant macronutrients (protein). In this case, your IMO is not necessarily that of a medical professional trained in that specific discipline. And for those wanting to give proper emphasis to fiber while eating pasta, there are plenty of available whole grain pastas on the market these days, and not just a health food stores. I concur with each of your points.

I think so, but he's still just as ugly as ever. But that's part of his charm! :)

Yeah... he's 44. and a perfect 13-0 against the Cubs.

Krys... I hope you are getting some sense of something... I don't know, maybe closure, maybe catharsis, from sharing this very significant series of events as it was for you and your son and his then wife. Indeed, you've described an incredible mean-spiritedness on the part of TWI. It certainly makes complete sense that you would have been upset because of what happened to your cubs, as it were...

The Big Unit got win #291 tonight... pitching 7 shutout innings and the Dbacks bullpen did NOT self destruct this time!!!

Yes. That's why I don't do Atkins... but do refrain from the simple sugars/starches. I use only whole grain bread. It's important to recognize also that pasta is NOT simply a high carb food. It's also a significant source of plant based protein.