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Congrats to daughter for THAT massive weight loss and life gain!!!! :) Absolutely...

Yes, metabolism. Thanks for reminding me. Intake is only one side of the equation. Expenditure of calories is the other side of that equation. Exercise and other lifestyle issues have a key role in that expenditure. For me, I didn't really start losing weight until I started a regular exercise regimen that included BOTH cardio (aerobic) exercise AND resistance/muscle development/weightlifting. And when one starts regular weightlifting, he generally GAINS weight at first. However, the added MUSCLE BURNS CALORIES. Whereas, FAT only STORES calories.

btw, BEST WISHES for long life and health to PAWTUCKET, especially for the adventure involved in the medically supervised diet. :eusa_clap:

I'm not interested in a p1$$ing match with you sudo. Bottom line is that if you don't want to eat pasta, don't eat it. I find nothing inappropriate with including pasta in my regular eating plans. This is certainly NOT a game of who's right or wrong. It's a matter for each individual to find what works for him or her. For the long run, the very best idea is to determine what you can eat that will satisfy your hungers and cravings while taking in the least amount of calories -- in a way that you can maintain for the rest of your life. That means the whole concept of going on "a diet" is faulty, IMO. And yes, I think Taubes's book is a gold mine of insight waiting to be had...

I appreciate the feedback on my suggestion. I agree with cman... I don't find any fault with rhino's criticism of my idea. Indeed, the bottom line is that WD acts like a troll, whether he is one technically or not... and the ONLY way to get him to shut up is for there to be complete and total absence of response to him... just plain ignore him... do NOT engage him in any way, or to any degree. He has clearly and emphatically demonstrated that there is a complete disengagement from reality on his part. Any effort to "convince" him of anything (i.e. reason with, persuade of, etc. etc.) will NOT succeed. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

It is unambiguously unmistakable ignoring of the troll when there is a complete disregard for it (the troll). When (any) one person addresses the troll (as you did in your 7:34am (pdt) entry today in the last sentence), it feeds the troll. When (any) one person addresses, quotes, or responds to the troll's post, it feeds the troll. If it comes up that a new person seeks to post a first hand experience, and the troll replies, that new person can be contacted by PM to encourage the new person and explain that the troll will not be acknowledged openly. Please, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

I hope that's not JUST from reading the thread! :) Indeed, encouragement from friends is a great ingredient to a successful weight management plan.

Tzaia -- PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL. The preponderance of evidence shows that he/it (WD/WD) is NOT doing ANYthing other than seeking attention and throwing out bait to see if anyone will pay attention. The ONLY way to get it to stop is to NOT FEED the troll.

Mark, please DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Lifted... please don't feed the troll. Rascal, the ONLY thing you succeeded in doing with this post is to give the troll feedback letting him know someone actually read what he posted. I can't believe anyone, after the discussion we've had thus far over the last couple of weeks, would take it (WD) seriously enough to actually read its drivel. I know I didn't and pledge to not. There's NO question that he is a p1$$ poor debater/arguer/"advocate"/"attorney" DON'T FEED THE TROLL. Excellently put. Succinct and poignant. Cman said, in different words, DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Here are nutritional facts from the latest package of pasta I purchased from Trader Joe's (a month or so ago): Trader Giotto's Multigrain spaghetti with flax (one pound with 8-2 oz servings) Calories per serving: 190 Calories from fat: 10 Protein: 9 grams/serving (I aim for 100 grams/protein daily) Dietary fiber: 5 grams/serving (roughly 1/5 of daily requirement of fiber) This product (in my CONSIDERED opinion) is rich in critical macronutrients. And Chas, going into ketosis is NOT a wise thing to do for long term weight management. What works best for the long term is to make changes to your eating plans/habits that you can maintain for a lifetime. Atkins, for the longterm, IS setting yourself up for problems with digestive organs. And Chas, if it's research you're interested in, a book I have but haven't started reading yet is: Good Calories, Bad Calories challenging the conventional wisdom on diet, weight control and disease by Gary Taubes I've had it recommended to me and a registered nutritionist is also reading it, so I hope to have feedback from her soon too. Taubes METICULOUSLY documents and cites research. You should be able to get this book from your local library.

I disagree. Pasta is one of those PLANT based protein/carb combinations. HIGH in protein, generally. Contains significant macronutrients (protein). In this case, your IMO is not necessarily that of a medical professional trained in that specific discipline. And for those wanting to give proper emphasis to fiber while eating pasta, there are plenty of available whole grain pastas on the market these days, and not just a health food stores. I concur with each of your points.

I think so, but he's still just as ugly as ever. But that's part of his charm! :)

Yeah... he's 44. and a perfect 13-0 against the Cubs.

Krys... I hope you are getting some sense of something... I don't know, maybe closure, maybe catharsis, from sharing this very significant series of events as it was for you and your son and his then wife. Indeed, you've described an incredible mean-spiritedness on the part of TWI. It certainly makes complete sense that you would have been upset because of what happened to your cubs, as it were...

The Big Unit got win #291 tonight... pitching 7 shutout innings and the Dbacks bullpen did NOT self destruct this time!!!

Yes. That's why I don't do Atkins... but do refrain from the simple sugars/starches. I use only whole grain bread. It's important to recognize also that pasta is NOT simply a high carb food. It's also a significant source of plant based protein.

Had been spending the summer with my dad in Rochester NY... watched it in the living room on the (only) tv (in the house). I was 14... that was 39 years ago...

Never been to Baltimore... was a kid (played my sandlot BB) in Rochester NY... then home to the Orioles AAA farm team... would love to be able to take you up on that... I'm sure I'd love the crabcakes... but, alas, I won't be going. What about selling on StubHub?

That would be Dennis Quaid. :)

That does seem awfully perverse.

I've done similarly to Ron... have lost 90 lbs. Key in use of whole grains (instead of sugar/white flour/white rice) is that there is fiber (which, besides aiding in food bulk getting through the entire digestive system help tremendously in feeling satisfied that you've eaten what you need to eat) in addition to the increased nutrition/vitamins. Essentially, I focus on getting enough protein daily (which is critical in developing and maintaining muscle mass, said mass being critical to enhanced metabolism). I basically gave up junk food which is generally far too high in both carbs and fats. For breakfast, I use skim milk with whey protein for my shake. Regardless, the 5-6 meals spread out through the day and making sure to get the breakfast in to start out the day are the most important aspects of the plan. I DO eat fresh fruit everyday, much of which is high in carbs but also high in fiber and vitamins/minerals.

Electric bike!!!! Tell us more, please.

I can't and don't speak for pawtucket, but I do observe. I observe that there's been PLENTY of indignation expressed by plenty of people here about the conduct of a few. Nobody, to my knowledge, has been booted from here. Everybody that has participated in the practice upon which scorn has been heaped here has effectively been put on notice -- not necessarily by pawtucket -- but by the community here, that challenging those who post about their personal stories of abuse at the hands of leaders in twi, that said practice of challenging will not be tolerated by the community. A "norm" or "more" (pronounced more - A) has indeed been established. How it will be dealt with will only be determined if the offending conduct is resumed. And given that WD has let us know that he's effectively on "hiatus" due to some gig with Bob Dylan in California, perhaps his time away will serve him well in decisions he may make on how he chooses to conduct himself here from henceforth.

Of course it's a shame. And it certainly is regrettable. I played sandlot ball. I loved it. But the world is a different place these days. First, here in Phoenix, any organized little league play is done either in spring, fall or if in the summer, as late in the afternoon as possible, to keep the kids from too much heat and direct sun exposure. The ONLY outdoor play on summer days here, except for idle hands (and gangs finding trouble) is at swimming pools or parks with some sort of water play. Other than that, the dramatic increase in the US population, seemingly ubiquitous presence of convicted sex offenders in so many places, can you blame parents for not wanting their kids to go unsupervised or without structured activities? When I was raising kids, it was... well, for the boys not as much of a worry, but still, some worry. Anyway, I digress...