Nathan_Jr

I am reminded of a G. K. Chesterton poem…

Mmmph

“I was referring to how [YourWalk+ChristInYou+Bible+YourBelieving] says there are twice as many…”

I wonder how an infinite power can impose a limit on itself. Does infinite power have room for limits? Once a power limits itself, is it still infinite? Was it ever? Can infinite mind even conceive of limitations? Can a finite mind conceive of infinity? Who devised these gods?

Bless your heart. I wish you could read it in the original. mmmph

I came across this one while looking for another astonishingly errant "teaching." I couldn't get past minute 1:20. This is what I mean when I say the errors literally jump off the page and leap out of his mouth. One does not need to look for stupidity. It is self-evident, and you can't fix it - it is forevah. Hebrew verbs have a consonantal root or stem. Most verbs stems have three consonants, some have four. A radical is a consonantal root - a consonant. The three radicals in question are not the hardest. They are regular consonants. שָׁבַת The verb is transliterated shabath. Sound familiar? It means rest or cease or desist. It means stop working. I does NOT literally mean sat. Even victor's favorite FREE translation, The Amplified Bible, from which he copied abundantly for "Literal Translation According to Usage," does not get as imaginative and creative as he does here. Notice the histrionics. If he repeats "sat" enough times, people will ignore the error and just beleeeve it. Hey! I didn't write the book.

That evidence is not in the budget.

Mmmph. You are so bad at this hide and seek game, Irony, silly goose! I see you. Much has been written throughout these forums on the development of the unbiblical no debt doctrine and the wicked depths to which Loy took it. TWI still requires it today for wowzers and CORPS, IIRC. I don't remember it in PFAL, but that doesn't mean it's not there. It was a hugely important doctrine for my fellowship commander who still masturbates to the imaginary 1942 promise. Because of this, I"m inclined to believe it started with Vic. Did this error originate with victor paul wierwille, charlatan? Or did it originate with Loy? A simple statement of fact will suffice. Many thanks.

Mein Kamf was mentioned. That reminds me of the story of those boys in southern Mississippi who learned of the atrocities of the Nazi party in the 1930s and 1940s. These good ol boys of southern Mississippi learned that Nazis were German and the German Nazi leader was a fellow named Adolf. These good ol boys learned all this on the internet, mostly through this one chat forum run by Jews who were survivors of Adolf’s Nazi atrocities so long ago, These good ol boys were motivated by a righteous sensibility to execute some cosmic justice, so they drove to New Orleans to target and beat up everyone they could find of German descent, including the children. Now, one must remember where these boys were coming from. They weren’t the sharpest hammers in the bag. All Nazis might be German, but not all Germans are Nazis. That was an unimaginable concept for these boys from Mississippi. All told, 183 innocent German-American New Orleanians were assaulted and battered during a rampage that lasted six months. I’m happy to report, justice was meted out with a precision and swiftness never seen by the historically corrupt courts of Louisiana. A jury of their peers convicted and sentenced those Jews for operating that internet message board. They were ordered pay $217M in compensatory and punitive damages and serve 15 years supervised probation. Halleluja! And some say justice for all is a dead dream in America. Some just aren’t paying attention. mmmph

This would fit well in the determinism free will thread. Blame them for swinging the spoon. You would be a spoon swinger blamer. They made that choice and have yet to figure it out. They can wake up and choose to stop swinging spoons just like Charlene and Waysider did. I have never suggested anyone is absolved of responsibility. It is complicated. The victim participates. The victim must wake up and make a move. The victim owns his choice to stay or go. The victim shall be responsible for his actions. The victim need not perpetuate the cycle of abuse. You were a victim of this abuse. Do you hit your own son with a spoon? The narc is the first victim. The abuser is the abused. She was a child when it started. You’ve accurately pointed this out. But that does not mean the narc is without blame or responsibility. It just explains why or how. It’s something to be understood. It’s not a pass. And she knows exactly what she is doing. She knows just the right candidate to target. She has no self awareness, but she has awareness of others. She hates goodness. It is the opposite of how she sees herself. She is committed to the destruction of that person she had no chance to become. The abuser and the abused are both responsible. But the abuser will not own responsibility, so it’s up to the abused to make a choice, act and end the cycle. How and why does anyone find themselves in this kind of relationship? You are asking that, right? It’s complicated, but it does have something to do with emotional and psychological vulnerability to being seduced into codependency. Even stupidity and a willingness to beleeeve play parts. You’ve asked, which is more important, reason or emotion? My answer is yes.

Wow. I did not say that at all.

It’s just… so… Accurate! mmmph

The subjectivity of gaslighting doesn’t make it any less real. One’s perception of reality becomes distorted over time. The manipulation is subtle, incremental, imperceptible. The victim or target or (choose a word) does not actively participate in the way you seem to suggest. The manipulated cannot or does not see he is participating in being manipulated. Or, if he does see it, he has been manipulated not to trust what he sees. That’s why it’s called manipulation. And it is psychologically violent abuse. The subjective perception of others choosing to blame the victim or target or (choose a word) compounds and perpetuates this abuse. This victim blaming is unintentional gaslighting by the (choose a word) blamer. But when one finally wakes up to what is going on (see Waysider’s post), one can freely take back one’s lost sanity. One can break out of the psychological prison. We do choose our behavioral responses to emotions. The manipulated don’t realize they are making these choices. When the veil is lifted, when we are awakened by the lightning strike, we start to see this, and we start to change our choices and behavior. Sanity is lost, destroyed. Not leveraged - correction.

Exaggerated which way? Down? The most important day in the history of histories of religious corporations “drew a crowd” of only 600 people from all over the U.S… AND other countries. 900 dupes completed (completely?) “their nine month tenure” mostly in countries shown to be ripe Petri dishes for cult (political/religious) development. Cameroon? The Congos? Venezuela?!?! Umm… wow? Jesse Duplantis must be shaking in his baby white tiger skin boots.

This.

Gaslighting is violence. Sanity is leveraged.

I don't think the effectual burning of bridges in this context is a consciously, deliberately developed skill. It happens incrementally, subtly, over time, and it's never obvious to the bridge burner they are good at burning bridges until they are all burnt. It's not a learned technique then forgotten. It's crazy. It is not logical. I expected to get cancelled by the narc. That was neither the problem nor the horror. To your clarified point about legal enforcement of leverage, yes, that is part of the equation. It can prolong the toxic relationship. Even when the target leaves, willfully, happily, the contact with the narc must continue because of a child. The child is then weaponized by the narc against her target, punishment for seeing the truth, punishment for cutting off the supply, a final strike to destroy the target once and for all before anyone else finds out the truth. Yes, the horror.

Legal authorities are the only ones with leverage? After the cult or narcissist has led one to abandon all friends and family and education and career, where will one go? Where is one’s support? Leverage. Mental tricks are designed to distort reality. The prison feels real, even if it’s a state of mind.

If being in a cult is anything like being in a relationship with a narcissist, one may feel trapped, imprisoned. So, escape makes sense. There are synonyms for escape. It's a word choice.

Maybe target is a more accurate word than victim for those abused by a narcissist?

Not every empath is codependent, but every empath in a relationship with a narc unwittingly becomes codependent. Whats a better word than victim?

I'm open to the possibility of rogue snow storms. I'm even open to the possibility that victtor saw a rogue snow storm the size of a city block, or a football field, or a unicorn corral. I'll grant you that. It's possible. But the probability is near zero, because he proved to be without integrity or credibility in everything. He was a liar. That's what he did. He lied. And when he wasn't lying, he was bull$hitting, he was making stuff up. That's what he did. That he heard an audible voice from God? I've already addressed this, as have others.

They can? I thought it was a football field. On a cloudless, warn, sunshiny day? Gotcha. So what? How would you know anything about something that you admit is not witnessed by anyone? No one is a witness to MOST rogue snowstorms? Which ones are they? The ones nobody saw? Most unicorn farts aren't witnessed by anyone in rural areas, either. Most unicorns live in rural areas, but no one has ever seen them. That's how we know. The telegraph company. The newspaper. Anyone. It was a blackout event. People would notice. There would be gossip. Is that what he reported? People never make claims or reports, unless they are true. Well, except Ralph D. and the reports about his dad's linguistic credentials and SIT. Everyone else makes accurate, truthful claims. Ralph D. is the only exception. And women. They are all liars, too, right? If it doesn't fit, you must acquit! One guy on an internet message board makes a claim? Hmmmm... ok, so? Ralphy made claims. Women open their mouths to speak.

The formal, systematic collection of climatic data began in earnest in the U.S. in the mid 19th century. Citizens of Ohio have always played an important role in this history. Climate observers, data collectors and climatic information communicators of Ohio were among the advanced in the field. There is a rich history of charting weather in Ohio - 1942 is ignored by no one. Speaking of rural farmers. Besides the elderly everywhere, who talks about and tracks weather more attentively than farmers? I suspect no one. People do, indeed, report rogue storms. A blizzard in rural Ohio on a warm, blue sky, sunshiny day? Rural farmers who are especially attentive to variables affecting their lives, like weather, would notice even a football field size blizzard, whether or not they could see weather coming from 100 miles away. Then there is the issue of hearing an audible voice from God. The details of such an event are not trivial. This is a life-changing event. There is life before the voice and life after. That's it. That is all. Who, having had such an experience, could forget the details, as if it were his son's girlfriend's birthday? Who, having had such a cosmically profound experience, would attempt to recount it to some casually-familiar broad he was trying to impress? Who, having had such an experience, would recount it to a group of people, knowing he was being recorded, and risk an offer of unsolicited details? A liar, that's who. The conviction is in the details. Bull$hitters and deceivers know this. But the details are how they all get caught. People who have had profound, spiritual experiences, awakenings, enlightened transformations of consciousness, don't treat their experiences so flippantly. They are very careful about telling it, if they ever tell it at all. People who have had these experiences don't use them as leverage to bolster credibility. They don't need to impress anyone. It is humbling. It is unspeakable. It is beyond beleeef.

There is only one story. It may be told differently by different people with different perspectives or different agendas.