Nathan_Jr

Maybe target is a more accurate word than victim for those abused by a narcissist?

Not every empath is codependent, but every empath in a relationship with a narc unwittingly becomes codependent. Whats a better word than victim?

I'm open to the possibility of rogue snow storms. I'm even open to the possibility that victtor saw a rogue snow storm the size of a city block, or a football field, or a unicorn corral. I'll grant you that. It's possible. But the probability is near zero, because he proved to be without integrity or credibility in everything. He was a liar. That's what he did. He lied. And when he wasn't lying, he was bull$hitting, he was making stuff up. That's what he did. That he heard an audible voice from God? I've already addressed this, as have others.

They can? I thought it was a football field. On a cloudless, warn, sunshiny day? Gotcha. So what? How would you know anything about something that you admit is not witnessed by anyone? No one is a witness to MOST rogue snowstorms? Which ones are they? The ones nobody saw? Most unicorn farts aren't witnessed by anyone in rural areas, either. Most unicorns live in rural areas, but no one has ever seen them. That's how we know. The telegraph company. The newspaper. Anyone. It was a blackout event. People would notice. There would be gossip. Is that what he reported? People never make claims or reports, unless they are true. Well, except Ralph D. and the reports about his dad's linguistic credentials and SIT. Everyone else makes accurate, truthful claims. Ralph D. is the only exception. And women. They are all liars, too, right? If it doesn't fit, you must acquit! One guy on an internet message board makes a claim? Hmmmm... ok, so? Ralphy made claims. Women open their mouths to speak.

The formal, systematic collection of climatic data began in earnest in the U.S. in the mid 19th century. Citizens of Ohio have always played an important role in this history. Climate observers, data collectors and climatic information communicators of Ohio were among the advanced in the field. There is a rich history of charting weather in Ohio - 1942 is ignored by no one. Speaking of rural farmers. Besides the elderly everywhere, who talks about and tracks weather more attentively than farmers? I suspect no one. People do, indeed, report rogue storms. A blizzard in rural Ohio on a warm, blue sky, sunshiny day? Rural farmers who are especially attentive to variables affecting their lives, like weather, would notice even a football field size blizzard, whether or not they could see weather coming from 100 miles away. Then there is the issue of hearing an audible voice from God. The details of such an event are not trivial. This is a life-changing event. There is life before the voice and life after. That's it. That is all. Who, having had such an experience, could forget the details, as if it were his son's girlfriend's birthday? Who, having had such a cosmically profound experience, would attempt to recount it to some casually-familiar broad he was trying to impress? Who, having had such an experience, would recount it to a group of people, knowing he was being recorded, and risk an offer of unsolicited details? A liar, that's who. The conviction is in the details. Bull$hitters and deceivers know this. But the details are how they all get caught. People who have had profound, spiritual experiences, awakenings, enlightened transformations of consciousness, don't treat their experiences so flippantly. They are very careful about telling it, if they ever tell it at all. People who have had these experiences don't use them as leverage to bolster credibility. They don't need to impress anyone. It is humbling. It is unspeakable. It is beyond beleeef.

There is only one story. It may be told differently by different people with different perspectives or different agendas.

There are so many organizations, entities, and scientists collaborating on the reporting and collecting of climate data. A few clicks around NOAA.gov shows this. Private enterprises in media and transportation have their own interests in collecting and reporting weather data. Sometimes, these private companies are owned by people empirically and spiritually stupid enough to beleeeve flat earth and four crucified. No, not one, organization, private or public, with vested interest in collecting and reporting accurate climate data acknowledges snow in July or September in Tulsa, Chicago or Ohio. In fact, they report the opposite, accurately. This is well established, empirically and spiritually. The second time established it.

Indeed. It’s what we do, until we wake up.

Mike said about vpw, “…just another way he was telling us God was directly teaching him…” There’s your sign. Every time. The one claiming to speak for God, the one claiming to have the truth, is surely the one who does not. But you will know them by their fruit. OOOPS! I didn’t see you over there, Joseph Smith… all apologies! uh-oh… Jim Jones? Is that really you?… oh, no… Joseph Smith? How did you get in here? …I’m so embarrassed! I didn’t see you guys, either, David Koresh, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland… L. Ron Hubbard!!! WTH! …with a mouthful of crow, I extend my most sincere apologies.

The NPD's victim refuses to act in defiance of the screaming voice within. Until, one day, finally, courageously... she sets the hammer down. It is sinister and subtle and defies logic or reason. The self is destroyed. The voice within is trained to be mistrusted. Reality is no longer real.

There is no emotion if one is truly paying attention to what actually is. One can't see clearly when one's attention is colored darkly by preference, prejudice, bias, reverence, hope. When I sat through PFAL, I sat attentively, meekly, emotionless, without bias for or against, a real humble, meek attention with a clear mind to listen to what was being said, to observe what was actually going on. When looking honestly, clearly, meekly at what is being said and written, and only endeavoring to examine, to go more deeply into it, without trying to MAKE it fit into anything at all, without prejudice, without NEEDING it to fit a presupposition, can one see what actually IS. I have no theological, religious or "churchian" agenda or position to advance. I am not motivated to disprove a charlatan's words because of doxy. THEY LITERALLY DO THAT ALL BY THEMSELVES..

Mmmph

Is that what was available that one needed to know how (H-O-W) to get and what to do with once gotten?

"Her lips were like freshly cut figs." Siddhartha, Herman Hesse

He could have said that in the filmed class I saw. I may be conflating that with the Loy lesbian "teaching," to Mike's point. But what is crystal clear to me is the, "I have no proof, it's just a feeling." It's clear in my memory because THAT is what is memorable to me, not some man made private interpretation - those are a dime a dozen and victor's interpretations were as private and as vividly imagined as anyone's. Like the bastard bar mitzvah "teaching," it's not the implausibility of the private interpretation that woke me up from the droning slog of PFAL, it was the citation of "someone told me once, gee, can't remember his name, but it was some guy, boy, if I can ever remember...." This is astonishingly poor scholarship! From a guy who insisted on being called by an academic title he purchased through the mail! It is an incredibly stupid, intellectually and spiritually, thing to say. It goes to his credibility, his integrity, his propensity towards accurate research.

In the CF&S class victor is recorded on film as saying he cannot prove it because there is no textual evidence, extant or to be found someday in the future when Walter goes back to Germany, he just had a feeling he was right. He didn't linger on this "teaching." If one isn't paying attention, because one is watching with pinwheeled eyeballs of devotion and reverence, one could miss it.

He knew he was being filmed when he said his feelings trumped the evidence. Because he knew he could be caught on film, he wasn't willing to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, as he did so often, by attributing such wicked stupidity to the Father.

No. Are you?

Check the record. I'm open to being proven wrong. mmmph

All of them. One should appear to be equitable. That way no one gets missed - victor said that, too.

You think wrongly. I'm not making it up. Watch it for yourself. "It's true, even if you don't beleeeve it." victor said that, too. it's in the record.

Sure, But lesbian sex? Bestiality is as far as I feel like reading it into the text.

victor paul wierwille, charlatan, said Eve's lesbian escapade with the snake was the original sin. He said he couldn't prove it, because it lacked textual evidence, he just had a feeling it was true. He didn't sound embarrassed to spew such agonizing stupidity, he sounded gleeful in his kerchief and loudly plaid suit. (An ironic homo-erotic image.) Victor was recorded on film saying this for the CF&S class. Anyone can view this record for themselves on archive.org.

Use the keys to clear the unclear.

OJ’s bloody murder glove didn’t fit in the courtroom..but it DID fit… even though it didn’t… (It really did, it was HIS glove.) Got to MAKE it fit, or make it NOT fit.