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It is a higly polished presentation.
WordWolf replied to Ham's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
As far as I see it, we should all have a chance to have a life and log in and respond in between events in it. You're making it sound like a few hours with no response means everyone is stymied. There's quite a few positions taken by people who believe the Bible is accurate. ONE is the "young earth creation" position. The one time I encountered a Christian who held this position, I did my best to correct him. Other than him, I've heard of people who've held it, but most of the time when I hear about it, it's from someone who doesn't believe it- who is saying "The Bible can't be true because the evidence supports an Earth being a LOT older than thousands of years-it looks like it's millions or billions of years old." Well, duh. The Bible doesn't give a year. Positions by most intelligent Christians all reflect that. Even the actual Scopes Monkey Trial had that in the testimony. (The real thing, not the movie that propagandized against Christians.) It is POSSIBLE that the Earth is young but was created to APPEAR old. All the evidence would match that. I reject it as less logical than the position that it actually IS that old. Hhowever, when someone claims the evidence doesn't show the Earth being that old, I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand the science, and was just going by someone else's grasp of things (which wasn't a tight grasp either.) In fairness, any "good, SOLID" response would require me to both have access to the entire genome mapping of a number of animals, and enough of a background to read them as if I was skimming through a Greek-English Interlinear. I can point out what was NOT said, and unsupported claims by the speaker. I don't have access to sufficient evidence to completely overthrow his claim. (In a court of law, the other side would be required to provide it, in the US, under "disclosure.") First of all, the claim is that man and simians both evolved from proto-simians, not men from apes. (I refuse to mischaracterize his position and I refuse to allow mine to be mischaracterized.) Second of all, the key to proving a case would be COMPARISON. "Here you see the DNA sequencing of 10 sample humans. Here you see the sequencing of 10 sample orangutans...10 gorillas...10 apes....10 lemurs....10 domestic dogs...10 domestic cats... 10 birds...10 fish....10 frogs....10 crocodiles.... You can see that the humans and all these primates have the following sequences in common. You can see that all the other animals do NOT have them in common. Therefore, they are sequences exclusively in common to apes and humans-but not any other animals. This suggests common ancestry of humans and apes." We didn't get that. It's actually bad science. He didn't isolate his variables. He's GOT the information. He's GOT the training. If it's there, he CAN make such a presentation and back it up. That he did not, to me, weakens his case when he tries to say this is a closed case. Without it, any dissenter is free to point out that DNA sequencing has commonalities among LOTS of life-forms, so commonality of human to ape means both are life-forms. (For that matter, the social structure of human society does NOT most closely resemble the human- it resembles the wolf. I got that from animal biologists who actually believe in human evolution as claimed. However, it should raise an eyebrow that any of the characteristics of humans should LESS resemble primates than a non-primate in ANY way.) And, again, he's failed to explain WHY there would be an advantage to fused DNA. According to the concept of evolution with descent as the origin of species, all changes are the result of: A) random mutations B) that were able to be passed down genetically C) that were found to be advantageous once they existed D) that increased survivability of the individual E) and allowed that individual to breed and pass them down F) ensuring the random mutation was passed down So, if there was fused DNA, an intelligent design person would reply "So what?" as to the significance of fused DNA. If there's a fused DNA, there are 2 lingering questions he seems not to have asked, while celebrating he's not an intelligent design person: 1) what possible advantage was gained in fusing DNA? (He put forth that not knowing this was a weakness in the opposing viewpoint, so let's see him explain it.) 2) If fused DNA was a genetic advantage, then why did all the other supposed descendants of the proto-simians breed equally well WITHOUT the fused DNA? We should have seen a slow uptick of proto-human ancestors, concurrent with a slow extinction of proto-ape ancestors, and all that back in pre-history. Proto-human simians should have displaced proto-apes on the Earth- IF the fused DNA is actually genetically advantageous in the manner genetics states. If the fused DNA is NOT, then there's a lot of uncomfortable questions about genetics theory that need to be addressed before the next time someone claims it answers everything. Personally, I find that geneticists who know better ignore inconvenient truths. Darwin's still celebrated as a genetics genius when most of his preconceptions have proven to be speculation that contradicted the later discoveries. I mean, read "Origin of Species" sometime. The man was a Lamarckian! That stuff was debunked and almost laughed at when I was in high school. -
This time, I'm not linking Downey. So, Jeff Bridges can't be linked out since we linked in with him. I'm blanking on other stuff with Terrence. I have a movie for Gwyneth, but not another actor from it. So eventually, I go with Jon Favreau DareDevil Ben Affleck
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It IS the Partridge Family. Danny Bonaduce voiced himself, and Susan Dey did a little, but everyone else was a regular voice actor. If you see "PARTRIDGE FAMILY 2200 AD" (Partridge Family Twenty-Two Thousand AD", you'll think it was a Jetsons episode for a moment.
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songs remembered from just one line
WordWolf replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
We later learned they went to see Richard Pryor. I'm glad we didn't here more about their lives- "JACK AND DIANE" was about a moment in 2 lives that sounds familiar to a lot of people. The claps in the recording were originally to keep the time, and ended up on a tape by accident- but sounded good so they were kept. Pop-Up Video said that once. -
It's a FREE POST, since I didn't say it in so many words.
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You're off by about 20 years. It's something from 1972. There was some GREAT music all across the 70s.
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This live-action show spawned a cartoon that put the characters into the future... and the cartoon was often mislabeled as being in space instead. Apparently, the idea was to make a Jetsons spinoff, but the studios didn't want that, so the concept was retooled to use a current family sitcom and only use 1 kid for his own character's voice. They didn't even bring them in for their own musical numbers!
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"The kids were just crass, he was the nazz with God given a$$. He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar."
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It is a higly polished presentation.
WordWolf replied to Ham's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
Last I heard, the idea was that humans have common ancestors with modern apes. So, there would be no "missing link", just proto-apes with descendants who are humans and apes. The "missing link" isn't scientific, and probably never was. It was, however, claimed by a LOT of non-scientists, which is how we all heard of it. -
Why was Satan in the Garden of Eden?
WordWolf replied to RottieGrrrl's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
I think the entire concept of Free Will and the right to choose undergirds all of Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation. The entire history of humanity is a history of God giving Man the chance to choose good or evil, to sin or refrain from sin, and Man choosing (usually poorly.) From the Garden of Eden to Judgement Day, people make choices, their choices have consequences, and they have to live with the results (or die with them, depending.) If there was a "Serpent" (as I believe there was), he was also given the opportunity to choose- and became such a lover of self that he chose not to serve a Just Creator. ================== Every once in a while, I see someone speculate that God Almighty exists on a level like us. It strikes me more like a Flatlander insisting that 3-Dimensional beings exist purely on a 2-Dimensional level as well because that's all a Flatlander can perceive of them or even imagine of them. In Scripture, it's clear that God Almighty knows all about the present as well as the future. It is from there that we need to seek to understand what God does and why God does it. Thus, the idea of "taking God by surprise" is speculative but rather silly. It's like having a spotlight following you around, and you moving behind a thin microphone stand and thinking you're successfully concealed. I think the so-called "Serpent" went insane sometime before his attempted revolt because only someone crazy or stupid could think that challenging the infinite with the finite could result in victory for the finite. I think he was narcissistic, and vindictive. That fits the profile with what happened later, with him scheming for paradise and trying to rule the earth. (He tried to rule Heaven and failed, so he tried to rule Earth and had limited success.) Honestly, "no thought" can be hidden from God, and He "knows the end from the beginning". But someone thinks it's possible to "deceive" God. Time for a brisk walk outside when that's making sense. -
It is a higly polished presentation.
WordWolf replied to Ham's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
I think the speaker is oblivious to the flaws in his own presentation. 1) He assumed a difference was the result of a similarity that pre-existed but changed. The possibility there was never the similarity doesn't seem to be there. So, it colours his work. Furthermore, he began with the assumption that humans are great apes. This is obvious just from his referring to humans and "the other great apes." Genetically, humans and great apes have a lot of similarities... but so do humans and banana slugs, genetically. That's not a guarantee of anything. I ended up in the same building as a friend on the same day and found out about it later. It was a coincidence, not any part of a design. 2) He managed to turn "we know they are similar, so if they are the same, we are right, and if they are different, we are right" into a position nobody questioned. Good trick. 3) He derided intelligent design advocates for lacking an answer to a question- and nobody caught him for lacking the same answer. Good trick. In intelligent design, things began a certain way because they were designed that way and have proceeded as they were designed to proceed. In by the theory of evolution as an origin of species, things all began from inanimate matter to single-celled matter to higher forms to incredibly complicated forms, all because there was some survival benefit to it, and there was absolutely nothing directing it nor designing it other than what causes genes to be passed on. Evolutionary biologists will be highly offended if you suggest that there is or was any kind of direction or directing agency. So, here we have a particular setup of genes. The intelligent design person is asked "why is this set up this way?" They answer "The intelligent designer wanted it so." The follow-up question: "Why?" The follow-up answer, in this case, would be "I don't know and I don't care." The evolutionary biologist is asked "why is this set up this way?" They answer "Evolution favored this setup- those lacking it didn't breed, and those who had it bred and passed it along." The follow-up question: "Why?" The follow-up answer, in this case, would be "I don't know and I don't care." He did not know, did not care he did not know, and doesn't seem to have a problem with this gap in his own explanation. For a degreed scientist, I think that's a significant blind-spot. He doesn't have to have an answer to everything, but he derided the opposing POV for lacking the same answer HE lacked. Looks like his beliefs about the origin of humans is based on a leap of faith that has directed his observations. He's certainly free to do that, but I'd rather he be up-front and honest about it and skip the hypocrisy. -
All the actors in that movie, and you linked to a guy known exclusively for TV shows?
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Was it "Dr No"? Or no?
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Ok, giving it up. This was "30 Days of Night of the Living Dead."
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songs remembered from just one line
WordWolf replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
Gotta vary the bands, otherwise it gets predictable..... -
Can I call you "THE SEEKER"? If not, Who?
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They probably wouldn't need any more time after the first month....
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Apparently, some episodes are on YouTube, including that one. I'll catch some in October if not sooner. Ok, next show.... This live-action show spawned a cartoon that put the characters into the future... and the cartoon was often mislabeled as being in space instead. (Even as a small child, that bugged me...)
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Ok, everything except the title has been posted for a while now. This is Edwyn Collins' "A Girl Like You". FREE POST!
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We're talking an indie publication and an indie movie. There's a number in the name (both have the same name.) Why would vampires target victims in Alaska as opposed to, say, equally snowy upper Wisconsin?
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There were a lot of giveaway lines to choose from, but I went with the funniest one. My favorite line in the movie was given to Clint Howard in Mission Control. He was the one who said the IRS would get Jack for not filing his extension. If Raf was checking, he'd have gotten it instantly from that-I thought other people would as well. Some people probably would have caught the reference to a possible Apollo 19 and Johnny Cash records. Oh, well. It's your turn.
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"Let's work the problem, people. Let's not make things any worse by guessing." "I don't care what anything was designed to do. I care about what it can do. So let's get to work, let's lay it out, okay?" "With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour." "When I go up there on 19, I'm gonna take my entire collection of Johnny Cash along!" "Dad, can I please wear this?" "Sure." "Jim!" "No! No, absolutely not." "Do they know they're not on the air?" "We'll tell them when they get back." " I remember this one time - I'm in a Banshee at night in combat conditions, so there's no running lights on the carrier. It was the Shrangri-La, and we were in the Sea of Japan and my radar had jammed, and my homing signal was gone... because somebody in Japan was actually using the same frequency. And so it was - it was leading me away from where I was supposed to be. And I'm lookin' down at a big, black ocean, so I flip on my map light, and then suddenly: zap. Everything shorts out right there in my cockpit. All my instruments are gone. My lights are gone. And I can't even tell now what my altitude is. I know I'm running out of fuel, so I'm thinking about ditching in the ocean. And I, I look down there, and then in the darkness there's this uh, there's this green trail. It's like a long carpet that's just laid out right beneath me. And it was the algae, right? It was that phosphorescent stuff that gets churned up in the wake of a big ship. And it was - it was - it was leading me home. You know? If my cockpit lights hadn't shorted out, there's no way I'd ever been able to see that. So uh, you, uh, never know... what... what events are to transpire to get you home." " Gentlemen... what are your intentions?" I'd like to go home." "No, Henry! Those people don't put one piece of equipment on my lawn. If they have a problem with that, they can take it up with my husband. He'll be home... on Friday!" "Uh, well, if anyone from the, uh, from the IRS is watching, I... forgot to file my, my, my 1040 return. Um, I meant to do it today, but, uh..." "That's no joke. They'll jump on him!" "Jack, you'll be glad to hear that we've contacted President Nixon, and he's going to grant you an extension on your income taxes, since you are most decidedly out of the country." "Roger that, Houston. That's wonderful news."
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Why was Satan in the Garden of Eden?
WordWolf replied to RottieGrrrl's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
How can I say this more clearly? We KNOW you think it's a myth. We disagree. We're aware that it can be framed so as to resemble myths to a remarkable degree. If I was bored enough, I could do that with a lot of events from the news from different time-frames. You already called it "MYTHOLOGY." Some of us disagree. The original poster is asking questions that go in completely the opposite direction than you want to go. Even if you're convinced she's completely wrong, provincial, and under-educated, can't you accept that this is her right? She can choose to pursue questions you consider silly, and avenues of inquiry you think don't even exist. She's not passing judgement on you for discarding what she considers to be deeper truths than the sociological theories of the day can offer. Can you return the favor? And if not, can you at least leave her alone about it and just judge her without hitting 'reply'? It's not like she's pushing vpw worship or anything.... -
No, I think you've all seen this one at some point. It came out in 1995 and has aired on television quite a bit since then, at least on basic cable (and premium cable.)