WordWolf

Before he was born, men followed the same dream, and after his death, men have resumed following it. The dream of a cushy life using the office of a leader of God's people and not handling its responsibilities lives on still at twi and other places. We know and are ready for it.

Other than "vpw and Bullinger say those are the themes for the Church Epistles, AND we have to count them as 7, not 9, AND we can ONLY apply this definition to the Church Epistles, AND we have to count all 4 as only 3, and can't apply it to 'ALL SCRIPTURE' like it ACTUALLY SAYS", there seems to be no case for "this is the true meaning of that verse." II Timothy 3:16-17. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." My credibility's just fine, thank you. Neither you, vpw, OR Bullinger actually MADE A SIGNIFICANT CASE for this interpretation you hold in common.

Return of the Jedi Warwick Davis Star Wars Episode I:the Phantom Menace (Just saw that again the other day. He's got a "don't blink" appearance during the podrace. He's just to the left of Watto the little bug-guy in the stands. Look for him immediately after Anakin's racer stalls at the beginning of the race.) There's actually a lot of actors who made cameos in this movie, or had more significant roles. Let's see who ends up in the next link...

"Sokath, his eyes uncovered!" Yes, it was "Darmok". Taking a swing at this... was this when the Enterprise had to deal with the alien baby, "JUNIOR"? Otherwise, if it was the NextGen Enterprise, that was VERY slow. That thing's top speed was in the Warp 9-range, sprinting, and it CRUISED around Warp 5, so it could have done that for a long time... I forget offhand how fast the TOS Enterprise went, but-except for Scotty-we didn't have CONVERSATIONS where engineers whined.

Give ck a hug for us, and remind him that he can do his own posting here the same as everyone else. It made little difference whether he, I, or a brand-new person made the same claims, they tend to get weighed on their own merits. (Or lack thereof, depending on the post.)

Hannibal Anthony Hopkins Bram Stoker's Dracula

Ah. NOW I remember that part. Ok, next quote. "Sinba! His face black, his eyes red!!"

CORRECT! Will Farrell, I believe, improvised a LOT during the filming, and all or most of Ron Burgundy's exclamations ("Sweet Knights of Columbus!") were improvised. The street-fight scene between all the newsteams is a "must-see" scene, and the exchange immediately following it is possibly the funnies set of lines in the whole movie. A friend and I find it the most quotable set, too. Go, Pirate!

I think that's "Data's Day," an interesting look at 24 hours in the "life of the android, where those of us using our gut instincts can tell that the logical conclusion's blinding him to the truth, since he's basing it on a false premise. (i.e. 'I'm dealing with a Vulcan, and all Vulcans can be trusted...') Riker utters this line about the bear around the end, if I recall correctly.

Yes it was. Meanwhile, I'll be here refraining from eating this supposed foodstuff that strongly resembles motor oil, and see if someone can answer you.

While I was on the subject, what's with the "limiting Scripture to EXACTLY SEVEN" business? 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" If we're supposed to classify all Scripture arbitrarily into 4 categories, why only do the Church Epistles? Are the other books not "Scripture?" Or are the Epistles just EASIER TO SLAP A LABEL ON? And if you want to downgrade the other books, remember all the references to the rest of the Bible as "Scripture" before you do....

If you put enough effort into it, it is possible to come up with permutations that fit ANY sort of pattern. Don't believe me? Review all the people who have been identified as "666". (My personal favourite was that Ronald Wilson Reagan's names all have 6 letters in them. It meant nothing, because slapping a label on something and imposing a grid on it means nothing in and of itself.) The grid that was imposed here by Bullinger was: A) 'all Epistles' was reduced to only the church Epistles B) all 9 Church Epistles were reduced to 7 Church Epistles C) 4 things Scripture is profitable for was reduced to 3 If the numbers weren't squeezed, only counting the Church Epistles, we would have the grid composed of the following: Romans=Doctrine I Corinthians=Reproof II Corinthians=Correction Galatians=Instruction in Righteousness Ephesians=Doctrine Phillipians=Reproof Colossians=Corrections I Thessalonians=Instruction in Righteousness II Thessalonians=Doctrine As to the order of the Church Epistles in Scripture, if there's a place in Scripture stating that the order of the Church Epistles in Scripture means something, then maybe it matters. Otherwise, it is a man's opinion that it does. That means it is "private interpretation" (as vpw called such things.) Just for fun, what would the order of the Pastoral Epistles and General Epistles look like? I Timothy=Reproof II Timothy=Correction Titus=Instruction in Righteousness Philemon=Doctrine Hebrews=Reproof James=Correction I Peter=Instruction in Righteousness II Peter=Doctrine I John=Reproof II John=Correction III John=Instruction in Righteousness Jude=Doctrine Seems sillier when you carry the pattern all the way through. But of course, vpw said we can't carry the pattern all the way through, and we HAVE to count 4 categories as 3, and 9 Church Epistles as 7.

BRAVO! You just made my case FOR me! All the Church Epistles are for doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness. Period. You YOURSELF have seen as much, and SAID as much. Therefore, to limit any one of them to 1/4 of that is to rob it of up to 3/4 of its purpose.

So, then, is everyone saying (or almost everyone- STL has made exception) that there's a separate issue between "forgiveness" and "telling the truth" about them, and that redemption AND forgiveness have NOTHING to do with trusting them again, and pretending they never hurt anyone, and that the trust and pretending they did no wrong is OUTSIDE our responsibilities? So, for example, when discussing Herbert W. Armstrong, we are NOT required to pretend he didn't do wrong, or gloss over the hurts he did others?

You'll have to give me a little more than that. Do you recall ANY of the lyrics- any 3 words together or SOMETHING?

"From the article: “In the UK, two way corps ministers have been putting forth focused believing action to move God’s Word as Outreach Ambassadors to the UK. Meanshile, at TWI International Headquarters, the international advanced leadership training was off to a tremendous start. “ “They are working together with the country coordinators of the UK, Mr. And Mrs. Rhys Mi11er, to further the expansion of the ministry in Southampton, a port city southwest of London.” “Since their arrival in the UK, Rev & Mrs. Moynihan have organized a variety of Word-centered events, reaching out to impart God’s Word to those who are new to our ministry as well as to faithful believers. ...” “Of course, as Outreach Ambassadors, the Moynihans have been working heartily to bring the Word to the hungry hearts in their community. They have gotten acquainted with the city and the people of Southampton by going out witnessing. They’ve been speaking God’s Word door-to-door, at neighborhood social functions, and at local shops. They have weekly household fellowship meetings as well as weekly outreach events for their fellowship and others in the branch.”

"Great Odin's raven!" "Sweet Lincoln's mullet!" "By the beard of Zeus!" "Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast." "It jumped up a notch." "It did, didn't it?"

So, I take it Kathy's not interested in clearing this one?

The airplay thing really was a rule so that we have SOME kind of shot at answering even the tough ones. It also leaves out a number of songs I really like, but NEVER heard on the radio. With all these fightin' words in mind, I offer this for the "toss-up": "When my fist clenches, crack it open, Before I use it and lose my cool"

Let's see how "Christian" everyone is here... (Those of you who are not Christians are "completely off the hook" on this thread- it is not addressed to you, but you may consider the posts "for your information." ) It has been claimed that the only appropriate thing for a Christian to do is to forgive all Christians for sinning, categorically. So, I'd like to see how far the Christians here are willing to extend their Categorical Imperative. Jim Baker (of PTL fame) lied, embezzled, and covered up sex acts that may or may not have been consentual, and committed adultery. He was also convicted of fraud, tax evasion and racketeering. Does he get forgiven by other Christians now? Does he get returned to his position as the leader of PTL? Jimmy Swaggart spent church moneys on consentual sex acts with prostitutes. When he was caught, he was willing to make a partial confession-that he sinned, but not what his sins were, and compared himself to King David of Israel. Does he get forgiven by other Christians now? Does he get returned to his position as the leader of PTL? Oral Roberts, finding his ministries' financies in dire straits, announced that God was taking him hostage for $8 million. He spent large amounts of their finances on expensive clothes, jewelry and a private jet. Does he get returned to his position as a church leader? Peter Popoff was publicly exposed by James Randi (the Amazing Randi) & Johnny Carson. The apparent healing miracles and prophetic acts performed by Popoff were in fact part of an elaborately stage-managed setup, including planting of audience members and broadcasts to an in-ear radio receiver. Does he get returned to his position as a church leader? In 1991 ABC’s Primetime Live announced that prayer requests sent along with financial donations to Tilton's organization were being thrown away without being read. Do we resume handing over the loot to him? Jim Whittington spent 10 years in prison for money laundering, mail fraud, conspiracy, and interstate transportation of stolen property from his evangelist crusades and direct mail business in the 1980s. He had high-speed boats and a Rolls-Royce. David Koresh ran the controversial Branch Dividian group of Christians, which was considered controversial. After a raid of their hq near Waco, Tx, they all died. Among other things, Koresh claimed that, technically, all the women in his group belonged to him. Does his name get restored to respectability now? Herbert W. Armstrong was the leader of the Worldwide Church of God. When alive, he committed sexual acts with his parishioners, including-and this was never challenged by him when it was asserted-serial incest. He spent God's money on planes and all sorts of luxuries. He plagiarized "his" work, and claimed it was revealed to him by God. He claimed it was revealed to him ALONE in this century. He claimed his "ministry" was the sole "one true church" today. He promised that financial success and an "abundant" life were there for people who followed his instructions. He died never having offered reparations or apologies to even SOME of the Christians whose lives he ruined. Shall we call him a wonderful Christian now? Shall we gloss over the hurts he inflicted on his congregation?

D'OH!!!!!! Sorry, forgot. Ok. Next movie. I've really wanted to use this quote. "Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast." "It jumped up a notch." "It did, didn't it?"

Gee, he seemed so nice during the few minutes I met him. Could it be that he's manipulated his image, and the man he really was when "no one was looking" was very different from the man we were shown in public? Hm, sounds familiar...

"The Integrity of God's Word-Man's Greatest Spiritual Problem." He also claimed "the Greatest Secret in the World Today" is "the Bible is the Revealed Word and Will of God", which obviously was wrong because-if no one else- thousands of pfal grads knew it, but NOBODY knows the date and time of Jesus Christ's return. Now THAT's a secret!

That's what vpw said, because that's what Bullinger said. It looks neat on a chart, and sounds learned. However, I question whether there's sufficient evidence to say that with authority. One could just as easily argue it's the doctrinal epistle of the manifestation of the spirit, or declares the doctrine of the "Gathering Together". I agree, it does. This does not make this a "reproof" epistle necessarily, since discussions of what something IS often include what it is NOT. pfal did this at all 3 levels when discussing the 9. pfal was not a class of "reproof." It was supposedly "a class on keys", if you believe itself. Limiting yourself ONLY to the explanations in pfal means you limit yourself ONLY to the answers and understanding of pfal.

I'll explain it for you. I was continuing the discussion. We were discussing someone's claim that averb required ACTION, but there are "passive verbs", verbs that do not require action. I was pointing that out. Someone's definition of "verbs" limited their understanding and left out some verbs that didnt fit their neat little definition. This was addressing your original post, where you asked what people thought of your definition. I was saying it was not bad when used as a "rule of thumb", but it was needlessly restrictive if you wanted to make it the SOLE rule for defining "love". I also pointed out that people making any "rule of thumb" into the DEFINING rule for ANYTHING tends to lead to misunderstandings. Life doesn't fit in neat little definitions like we were taught it does, and God does NOT live in any box or remain confined to any definition we can find for Him. Got it now?