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There are basicaly 2 ways to learn: 1. By "formal" means (direct lessons/instructions). 2. By "in-formal" means (watching, listening, etc). Many times "behavior" and/or "attitudes" were heavely influenced by "in-formal" means, which includes "pressure" from "peers" and/or "leadership". Sometimes we (and I include me) may have applied such pressure and/or in-formal learning. I hope and pray that those I may have influenced in a negative way, may have learned better and forgive me...

OM, you said something very profound... Those who you say, thought "the worst" of lcm... As it turns out, they were right. You also said, _____________________________________________ Don was a personal and family friend, and all the dealings I and my family ever had with him were honest and above reproach. It's extremely disturbing to hear that he also had problems with adultery; however, I haven't reason to believe he would lie to me -- unless one believes that a person who engages in adultery always must lie about everything else. So no, I don't think Don would have whitewashed anything. Also, giving folks the benefit of the doubt means you're willing to have them prove themselves to you; Don proved to be a family friend in my case, so I have no reason to think evil. ________________________________________________ OM, You and your family may have been an exception on how the bot/bod (including dw) ruled. By what the twi "leadership" did and did not do... IMO, they have demonstrated that these are NOT people of honor.

This thread makes me glad that I got out of twi before this "class" came out...

Adios, I did the same thing (working "too many" hours)toward the end of the year... I also got yelled at for doing so... The funny thing is, no one seemed to mind the fact that we were: eating better, the bill's could be paid on time etc. And my (lazy) wow brother was only working less than 15 hours per week at burger king the whole year, and no one yelled at him.

My mistake... Your mixed feeling are about how these "mogs" and "wc" tolerated what the business world is now in-excusable. If the ethics of a person has such flaws as has been pointed out, leaves little doubt in my mind to what spirt, these "spirtual mogs" were "tapped into".

I never knew the Corps tolerated adultery and still have mixed feelings about it. How can they honestly tolerate something that's such a betrayal of trust. I know I've heard the stupid excuses, like "shaking hands" and whatnot. I knew we tolerated fornication...and that issue seemed to be always dealt with as a private matter between, um, the fornicating parties. But still and all, I think the adultery issue is irrelevant to Craig's 1989 request for commitment and loyalty to move the Word, at least where I was and the state I was in. Sex was not an issue. If it was an issue, I would have known about it back then, confronted it, and that's that. Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mixed feelings about adultry!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please explain what these "mixed feelings" are. Anything less than disgust, anger, betrayal, shock is contemtable. Leadership is supposed to set an example. We now know the type of leadership that twi set. IMO, It seems that the only "god" that these men worshiped is that they must have thought was a "god" between there legs. Maybe, that's why some of these people were/are pricks.

If we are doing songs... Send her my love - Journey (Steve Perry/Jonathan Cain) It's been so long Since I've seen her face You say she's doin' fine I still recall A sad cafe How it hurt so bad to see her cry I didn't want to say good-bye... CHORUS Send her my love memories remain Send her my love roses never fade Send her my love The same hotel, the same old room I'm on the road again She needed so much more Than I could give We knew our love could not pretend Broken hearts can always mend... CHORUS Callin' out her name I'm dreamin' Reflections of a face I'm seein' It's her voice That keeps on haunting me Send her, send her my love Roses never faade Memories remain Send her, send her, my love

Remembering past loves… I look back with the famous “what if” questions. Most of my “previous” girl friends are now married (as far as I know) to someone else. Sigh… Remembering past loves is bittersweet. I think on the good times, and I recollect the heartache when we broke up. Sometimes I wonder how they are and what they are doing. I sometimes wonder if they ever think of me. Later, (when I am sober) I wonder, what was I thinking…

How about... Are they / did they pay roylaties to authors whose works were plagerizied?

As a point of history... President Kennedy had members of his staff sign documents, pictures etc. with his signature. It has been (and can be) documented which "staffer" signed what. Of course, we expected more from twi. We believed that we were special and important to the "leadership". IMO, we were nothing more to them that a means to there end...

Hmmmmmmmmmmm......... Have you all forgotten about "peanutbutter cookies"? ;)--> I admit to putting peanut butter between 2 Hershey bars :P-->

If I actually figured it out, I would get depressed... On "top" of the ABS there were: refreshment costs paper product's cost free labour "mailing" costs (stamps and envelops) money order costs telephone expenses extra cleaning supplies and equipment bod/bot pics... "jewlery" pins, necklaces, rings etc. wear and tear on vehicles corps sponsorship etc...

I heard from a reliable source... Some letter's were answered by dictating the responce into a tape recorder. Then they were typed up (was a "common" business practice). It makes me wonder, if the person who did the typing might have also done the signing... It also makes me wonder what percentage of letters would have actually made it to the addresse?

Zix, Thanks for the link. At least it looks like a happy ghost :)-->

Just a thought... Maybe you could get a "dunking booth", and Shell could be the 1st one to sit on the "hot seat" :D--> ;)--> :P-->

I had a hard time financialy for the about half of the year. I worked part time at "Wendy's". The later part of the year I got "permission" to work in the next city over (Shreveport, LA). I worked 1/4 mile from where I lived (Wendy's was about 3 miles). There I worked as a painter and doing maintaince work. One of the things that helped me out was... I was in the Army Reserves and did the weekend drills. That "extra" money was very helpful. Towards the end of the wow year, I decided to work a "few" --> extra hours... Actually, I was working full time. I got tired of not have money in my pocket. I was a bad wow... After my wow year I went active duty Army. The only person to contact me from my "wow family" was the "FC". She was in the corps and needed money.

I should mention that my wow sister Pam and I worked as cooks in full service restraunts before we went out as wow's... What ever quanity was lacking, was made up in taste. I still enjoy cooking. Currently, the only group I sometimes cook for is, the people in my office.

Goey, It could have been worse... I was a wow in Bossier City, LA We lived just outside the main gate of Barksdale AFB, by the Red River and down wind of a paper mill...

Something on another thread got me thinking about that “more than abundant life” on the wow field I so richly enjoyed… I remember all those “peanut butter and jelly” sandwiches for lunch. It was 4 years after that year that I would even consider having anything that had either peanut butter or jelly. To this day, I refuse to have any apple butter! Of course, my favorite is/was leftover’s from “Pizza Hut” (where my wow sisters worked). We actually counted on 2 dinner meals a week for a while from “Pizza Hut”. We shopped for the meat and poultry that the stores marked down for quick sales (close to or on the “sale by” date). In all fairness, one of my “wow sisters” (Pam) knew how to cook. Between her and me, we were able to cook some decent meals. We couldn’t afford very many “pre-packaged” name brand foods. When possible we bought in bulk (dry goods/non-perishable). (I should also point out that my other “wow sister and brother” each tried to cook once and were not allowed to cook after that) We developed many ways to have “Mac-n-cheese”. With hamburger and peas with extra cheese (my favorite) With hotdogs With ham With tuna and peas We also had meals we cooked when that was favorites (sometimes used as bribes). Pam made chicken and dumplings when she wanted me to do something, like work on HER car. I cooked creamed beef over toast when I wanted something. For beers... One of the things I did… We lived in an apartment complex. When I saw people moving in, I offered to help. The people that I helped gave me beer and sometimes, “extra furniture” (this is how I got my bed, kitchen table and some lamps), and sometimes a little cash. I was a “scrounge”. The “FC” would say, “a blessing from God”. I would think. “and, my hard work and sore muscles”. We didn’t really “starve”. But, we were rarely ever full.

With all that chili... Seperate rooms might be required!

Now if you think TWI was evil from the start, nothing but a stupid cult, I guess you think the above is stupid, ungodly and self-serving. It's your choice how to look at it. Yep, we can now see how of those things mentioned are still going on now... -->

"IF", I can make it... I will try to get a room at the inn. Or, Split a cabin with someone. Since, "if" I come, I will fly in. I would be happy to contribute to a "food fund".

At the risk of de-railing this thread... Let me jump ahead to one of the results of this LOYality letter... Form letters were sent out from twi, with the only things different were the names. I saw the ones addressed to NY and MA. These "form" letters had no love, respect or nurturing in them. It seems to be a letter drafted in hate. Let us not forget how many lives were torn apart with a stroke of a pen... How many marriages and friendships were shattered. It amazed me how people could say "I love you" one day, and the following day never wish to see you again... It's a shame when you have to wonder when somebody say "I love you", do they mean it? Or is it the empty words, just like you have heard in twi soo many times...

I think a problem with your viewpoint Alfakat is, you leave no room for Craig or TWI to be correct or godly in anything. Every decision has to have some sort of an evil motive behind it. I think that's why its so hard from some folks to see that Dr. Wierwille or Craig Martindale or any other BOT, sometimes made godly reasonable decisions. OM, Will you please elaborate on a few examples of "godly reasonable decisions"... It seems to me, that most decisions were "self serving", in either "short term" or "long term". IMO, "godly decisions" will not ultimately do harm. The scars caused by vpw and lcm still cause great pain to many.