Grizzy

The way I try to look at this is by considering the purpose and the subject of the bible. The main focal point if you will, and that being God’s only begotten son Jesus Christ being the subject and the purpose is to reconcile men and women back to God. Looking at the gospels as the center, the best place to get a better glimpse into the heart of the creator God our Father. Jesus Christ shows a lot of who God is and what His real nature is. Now take that back through the O.T., that nature and heart you see in the gospels that is. Is this a different god or what? Nope, same God, yet what He is doing is preparing and working for the day His son can be born and live that incredible, beautiful life we see in the gospels. But that god ordered the deaths of whole nations, including women and children! Back-up, what was His primary *job* in the O.T.? To get Christ here to do His deeds and accomplish our redemption. So, whole nations were bent on the destruction of the nations that were necessary to bring the messiah to pass. I might note that not all people of all nations that were to be wiped out got wiped out. If you follow the history those very ones were constant sources of evil for Israel. But, they reason that they were to be wiped out was because they were bent on wiping out what is called the Christ line. Stop and look at certain groups now that from birth teach their children to destroy themselves and take out as many of the enemy as they can. Don’t you think that the world would be a better place if they were cut-off from the face of the earth before they could do their suicide mission? Of course it would be and it also would be a lot more loving to end it before it started, it really can be that simple. Ordering or commanding the death of evil people bent on the prevention and destruction of the necessary Christ line so that man might be redeemed is not evil or none loving, unless maybe you are the bent one...... Then there are different events like the flood of Noah. If you bother to read further, after the life of Christ you will see that it may have said in the O.T. God did it. But in Peter it shows that this was brought about by spirits that are in chains. Was the flood of Noah what god desired or was it the result of the evil that filled the earth? Its like did God order the death of all those nations? Yes; but even then He didn’t kill them, man had to carry it out. Did God cause the flood? Not if what Peter says is right. But you have the time when Christ walked the earth and everything before that was whatever it took for him to get here God did. Now you have the glorified Christ and a time when men and women can accept his accomplishments and God is free to deal with individuals beyond what He could do preparing for His son’s arrival..........

Ladies and Gentlemen; What you are witnessing are the symptoms of elevation disease! This affects many low-lander tourists that venture to high into high altitude lodges and guest ranches at to fast a rate. It is also commonly known as an altitude drunk or oxygen depravation. The low-landers brain becomes oxygen starved in the much thinner air at high altitudes, especially those altitudes common to the Montana-Canadian border. :D--> Don’t worry, Tom will return to his normal self (whatever that is) within a few days as his brain starts getting its normal supply of oxygen back. I was wandering where Tom was...........................now I know!!!!!!

Back on WayDale I mentioned the household teachings were the beginning of the end for me in *the household*. One of the final *nails in the coffin* was when a WC FC I had mentioned how LCM *shared at a lunch* that all scripture interpretation must be done in light of the household.......... -->

Guilty as charged!!!!!!! :(--> But what would we do for cheap entertainment if we all behaved reasonably????????

Perhaps we have all been bad!!!!! :P--> Have to be logged in to get to the forums at all..... Paw playing with the bells and whistles again??? :D--> For quite some time when I have come to the forums, the about the way has shown last reply to what thrd, by whom and the time, all the others just had a time stamp. Maybe some changes have been done......

:D--> My bad wolf!!! After all it is The Way Intertrashinal

Oh but LCM had a picture to prove it was so!!!!!!!!!!!

WordWolf changed the original: That's "2 or 3 people in less than a dozen INTERNATIONAL countries"...... Their track record has been to inflate their numbers. So, if they have a couple in one country and give them the title over a few neighboring countries the real statistic would be a fractional person in each country then.......... :D--> Besides they had to re-open this department because of lawsuits dontchaknow!!!!!!!!! -->

and serving as International Outreach Dept coordinator at twi Obviously this man has way to much time on his hands and really needs to set some high goals and achieve them!!!!!!!!! How much time does it take 1 man to coordinate 2/3 people in less than a dozen countries?????????? That is unless he does something biblical and revolutionary for that dept., such as actually goes to foreign countries and witness to new people!!!!

What about the explanation she gave to her followers concerning her testimony about ever reproving LCM?????? What was that, something about motorcycle rides and some gal got a longer ride or what ever........ Now that was ridiculous!!!!!!! She was asked if she ever confronted(don’t remember the wording) LCM about his sexual stuff and she responded yes. Then she went to the faithful and said that crap! Some savvy person could find that and bring it back for us to see.............

Oh Wolf of the Word, (another fine example that furry is better!) You are onto something that is well documented on the *net*. If I recall correctly there is a posting over on the Judas site of the well known WayDale court case that testimony of a threesome started the misrepresented *affair* that lead to WayDale and the case. I have also heard of a woman that *alleges* she was told directly she could either do him alone or in a threesome or get out! Evidently married big-foreheads were not her type as she took the *best* choice, number 3! But, during the homo purges it was not that uncommon to hear references concerning women of beauty that could”have any man they wanted”, they always “hung out in groups together” and were lesbians! Could these have been women of beauty inside and out, whose *sin* was saying NO to the MOG??? In retrospect I lean towards this school of thought.

Hooner, The divorce analogy and the death of a parent analogy are both great! Because what you are going through are some very healthy steps of grieving. Anger is a very natural step in the process of grieving as are guilt and other things I am unable to recall right now. But all these are also steps to recovery. Right now is not the time to listen to the *Georges*, because either direction may be nothing more than a *rebound* relationship. Now is the time to grieve and work through some things and recall what started the journey you were on in the first place. There is a great book out there, it is titled The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse. That is a great place to start to see what we all went through is not so unique and can be dealt with. But, take some time and grieve. In that grieving you will also start to feel relief and a sense of freedom, a great feeling of freedom that will after time be more powerful than any chains trying to hold you back!!!!!!!!!!!!

The *closed* bookstore was another revolutionary dogma of the great LCM. There is no way that he would allow spiritually filthy money into the coffers of TWI! While his material is being presented, used and sold this is a big step showing his lack of control. I can’t help but wonder if the old saying: “Changing horses in the middle of the stream” doesn’t apply here. Really doesn’t matter what horse you ride out the other side, what is important is the one you rode into the *stream* when the court cases hit. Other words, what you do once a case has been filed and is started has little impact on the case. They had to check with their bosses in Cleveland and they saw it was OK.I think it is plain and simple, they see a good way to get some much needed $$$$ rolling in. AS with anything RFR and the BOD, this had to have been in the works for months and months.

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SPANKINGS ARE IN ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D-->

Maybe because we were all there at one time. Building the trust of an innie will allow first a way to openly communicate with said innie and help them find an exit from *Zion*. Secondly it is a very good way to gather info and intel on what is really going on behind the walls of the fenced city. A person’s life and heart are always more important than the *cause*.

initials and first name, you working fir the WayGB or what????????

So sorry about your loss, he sounds like the kind of big brother everyone should have had! Praying for you and yours.

monthly phone hook-ups we need to talk........ you'll be blessed when you........ cleaning leaders homes heart stopping when phone rings and its the FC, BC or LC on caller ID.........

Seems that the story was POOP popped and the bus driver was elevated above all and had issued a no new research proclamation. Imagine that, a paper on adultery was *new* at HQ............. but it was that deliberate disobedience that caused the firing...... way to cover the material up, ignore the message and condemn the action...... But any way, after or during the fog, when the bus driver was sent packing, LCM claimed later they had offered some people fired during the gear jammers administration their jobs back.....................

so which side contacts and gets the Raelians to side with them?????

Hey St. George, maybe a thread on this subject would be good. Because if weakness always brings down strength as WordWolf pointed out, then our natural nature would always win. Perhaps a new thread would be in order to stop derailing this one. Really dumb things, what was that in AOS where the minister stands in the gap between followers and the devil? Been so long I can’t remember.........

Garth, I can remember when he said something that was quite logical. It was something like quitting and going back to pumping gas! To bad he wasn’t *smart* nuff to follow through....... :D--> And St George dude, when did weakness ever bring down strength??? I think about Jesus hanging with sinners, weak ones and then also David hung out with the losers and turned them into the mighty men..........

to FEED the BEARS!!!!!!!!

Ok Refiner, Gosh, for no other reason than you got me thinking about this again and I want to post this, a comparison of Mormons and TWI....... Mormons have to believe that Joseph Smith was a modern day prophet and that the church had been lost and needed reinstated. They have to believe that God sent the angel Moroni and then the angel gave Joe the golden tablets. These unlocked the true gospel. TWI was founded by V.P. Weirwille, to whom God spoke and promised He would teach him the Word like it had not been known for two thousand years if he would just teach others. Followers had to believe this and that VP had the keys to unlock the lost gospel. No golden plates, just snow on a gas pump and no 3 witnesses to the snow as Joe had with the plates. Brigham Young became the second president of the Mormons, he was Joe’s right- hand man. Some thought Joe’s son should inherit the kingdom and they splintered off and formed the reorganized CJCOLDS. Brigham lead the rest to the promised land, to Zion and what we now know as Utah. L.C. Martindale became the second president of TWI, after the death of VP his leadership was challenged. Many left and Martindale’s single biggest claim was he was the one ordained before God and all by VP. Then after a period of time, he claimed to lead the followers into a *spiritual* Promised Land of the Prevailing Word. But numbers dwindled from VP’s death and the splits. The scandalous sexual exploits of Martindale and the founding president of TWI exploded into the limelight. The *cop-outs* as Martindale called those that left, were more successfully marketing and using VP’s works than TWI could. Others that moved on from VP’s materials were also being more successful in recruitments and followers. After Martindale separated the followers from what he called old wineskins (VP materials) and had come up with his own new classes and format, his sexual escapades were exposed and he was de-frocked. Then he was reportedly ran off. Mormon’s still hold to the beliefs concerning Joe, it is foundational to them. TWI has all but cut any ties with their first president. This includes the removal of the majority of the Wierwille family, including removing the founder’s wife to a nursing home. The key belief that TWI promotes would have to be “The Word of God is the Will of God” as their founder taught. But now they are removed from him, his teachings and use his books in a limited manner. Martindales Class, called the Way of Abundance and Power is now taught by their leaders on the field live. They have quietly dubbed Martindale a controll freak while still practicing his hurtful practices.