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I smells hillbillie!!!!!!!! -->

Hairy's camping trip pics............

First David, Fluff didn't chase me off! I decided to leave because of my personal boycott of all things French. :D--> And if that wonder water returned Fluff to the warrior pup he was years ago, let's just say that is not the reason I refuse to return to Ohio........ Now that Fluff has an unfair advantage over an aging bear, in all fairness; I must insist in finding out where a bear can purchase some of said water for himself. I think many mistake alternative medicine with the hooky pooky arts because they don't work for them or know people that they didn't work for. But even here Kit had stepped forward and testified as to the results she has received. Now humans and their bodies vary greatly. What is the wonder heal all for one is a disappointment for another. I have seen this with various mineral drinks. Seen some people that were just about crippled start drinking some stuff and received great benefits while the next person receives no benefits. But if we always reject personal testimonies of quality people (not paid advertisers) we will never know what works for us and what doesn't. So, I am interested in where this product might be purchased..........

TWI has made some bad to worse moves over the years. After the grand exodus and the formation of so many splinter groups in the late 80's and many of them committed to keep PFAL and the teacher memory alive and well. These splinters seemed to do better with less and also paralleled Loy's TWI to much for comfort. So they came up with a ridiculous class designed to present Loy as the teacher for our day and time. Then when Loy left the main subject of the class was gone and it completely lost any usefulness. next stupid mistake was teaching it live! Can they go back to PFAL? No, and they have found out they can try to control the contents but can't. You see VP gave copies to certain corps grads and told them they knew what to do if things went wrong. TWI lost its ability to control their own main product, while flawed it was very marketable and they produced an unmarketable product. Former followers are much more jealous and committed to running PFAL than anyone they have trying to push WAP.

Good to see you David, :D--> its been much to long!

In order to stay current with the present truth, did *disciples* have to graduate from their nearest live taught WAP class? After being an AC grad for almost twenty years I was almost stripped by not taking Loy's PFAL AC and then was stripped by not making the cut for the WAP AC. Surely they will keep Loy's marketing strategy and require all grads to take their class or not be grads. A captive audiance is the best they have. Are you up to snuff with the present truth?

They are very heavily into education and staying well informed. This explains success and Bush support

mmmmmmmmm, the brownies at twig tasted really great! Well cept for the one Joe Blow got and he said his tasted like $h!t........ What's this really bad taste in my mouth as I drove home????????

What happened to all the bragging about the group being such legal eagles? I think they are and their decisions show they knew they couldn’t win so the got out while the getting was good. Go back and read their credentials, they knew not to let this get to a jury.........

Well said Radar!

Attacking a couple of the *great* institutions, right up there with both kinds of music(country and western) and Mom and apple pie exposes the plot to destroy freedom and life as we know it!!!!!!!!

I heard the same thing as the dove did

shoot, I think this last Aug. made it 5 years, so I missed the *cut*.......

Parma........violin......... looks familiar, oh yeah!!!!!! maybe ask Catcup bout this!!! :D-->

If I remember correctly, Loy had stepped down as pres, placed Rosie in and announced this move. It was stated no one would be capable in TWI to do the job as they were all to afraid of him! CYA with a heavy dose of ego and some truth mixed in! The truth being anyone with any savvy was kicked out by him long before this! As MOGFOT he announced no one was spiritual in his *household*!

Remember when LCM announced he and Donna were going to get marriage counseling? Late 70's early 80's it was not uncommon for leaders to tell underlings to get someone to a mental health institute or at least professional. Depends on the leader I guess, but one woman I knew was placed in a hospital, one man was told to stay away from his family until a doctor said he was safe enough to be around them.

No Mike, what bothers me is people basing their lifes on that. Can your beliefs stand on their own without quoting him?

Is your spirituality based in truth or on a dead man’s presentation containing some truth? If you remove the VPW factor from your foundation will your beliefs stand or fall? Remember the challenge of getting back to where you can say “Thus sayeth the Lord”, can you honestly do that or do you have to quote a man buried almost two decades ago? Is your God so small that His truth only fits in a few hours in a few classes? What really was the primary purpose of PFAL? Truths were presented, but how much did recruitment play into this? If recruitment to a certain organization wasn’t foundational to the foundation why did it become a 3 class series? On the other hand, is a dead man’s influence so big in your life you base your beliefs on rejecting a dead man? Because he taught it you have to junk it? Oakspear has presented a solid argument for the value of checking where your beliefs are resting. Catcup has presented a great truth! Look if the baby you have is truth, it is to big to go down the drain! To much of our time and energy seems to go to defending a deadman or debunking him! We won’t stand before VPW to give an account, we won’t be judged by PFAL, it will be each of us according to God’s standard! Have you so limited God that you really think He fits into a set of classes packaged to recruit new members to a man’s organization?

Bears are NOT affiliated with CES!!!!!!

OUCH! That hurt, digging back into my memory and all! Wasn’t something posted back in the *day* of WayDale that Rosie owned property back in her home state? Followers could keep their morgageless houses, but I know that people that had holdings they were just hanging onto had *suggestions* to sell. Then there is the million dollar office Craig had built into the Chalet. Does Donna now go downstairs to work in a plush office that is beyond even Rosie’s? There ya go *innies*, not only is Donna the exception by getting to stay, she keeps her WC status, she keeps the Chalet, she keeps her *staff*. Is she also keeping that million dollar office??? YOUR ABS at WORK!!!!!!!! So see what all that budget and living like vagabonds so you can give more is really supporting!

No, I haven’t seen any Way Disciples while they were actually on the program. So, no I haven’t seen any advertisements..............

Yeah Shellon!!!!!!!! And Donna isn’t part of the *Stand By Your Man* generation! There would be only honor and respect if she had, not the disgrace women of previous generations were subject to. She could have been the woman that broke the cycle of abuse, but she is propitiating the cycle that may well affect her own. Her own are not an excuse, protecting them from the facts does them no favors! Some day some how each will have to deal with their father’s sins. She has been able to maintain her life style and even some what of a *stage* image! Like she had more to keep than what she could *gain* by truly taking a *STAND* for God!

Suffered where? Innies still think it was a one time affair and that LCM *missed* the mark and was put on spiritual probation and given every chance to get right. Donna has been shielded and protected, heck posters have reported Donna hanging at a resort type island driving around in a golf cart. How about asking people like Chas, or how about couples with children run off with no contact with friends, as all their friends were *innies* and they had cut off their families for the *ministry* that they sold everything to serve; only to be booted with not much more than the clothes on their backs. Professionals, giving up solid jobs with retirement scraping to rent a dump and picking furniture off the curbs and working *day* jobs so they could have money for supper. People scraping to survive while having their own children M&A them! Suffered????? What a joke! Had she once stepped forward and actually stood up for God and all the women that had been abused and still being abused and blew the whistle on her husband or the MOG before, she would be worthy of consideration for some sympathy. But, there are still some of *Craig’s* girls working on staff and Rosie and Donna know it! With all of her husband’s *house-cleaning* before why haven’t they bothered to clean-up HQ by removing women that helped LCM get his victims?? (HINT: ;)--> Rosie and Donna would be on the top of that list)

I have often wondered if it has been in the TWI *Charter* that 2 members had the power to vote 1 member off the BOT/BOD? The real Uncle Harry stated that when they disagreed and *brother* said this is the will of the lord (or something like that) that was it and they quit arguing and did the will of the lord. The BOT/BOD could kick things around but VPW made all the decisions. LCM’s stepping down was damage control at its best. But it didn’t stop the flood of followers leaving TWI as they anticipated, rather seemed to fuel the fire of freedom burning. So, in an effort to save the sinking ship perhaps LCM worked out an exit strategy, or was presented with one as he wasn’t legally on paper as the president any more. The removal *treaty* might have contained provisions for his wife and kids. Craig, you leave quietly and keep your mouth shut and we will allow Donna and your children to remain in the Chalet and on salary. This may have also included a nice little monthly payment for his pocket also. Included in this severance package may well have been continuing to display and sell his books, a way to keep credibility with his children. A top secret martyr scenario might be what the young ones believe. Not that he was outed because of his sins, but he left to keep God’s only ministry alive! Maybe LCM now has to worry about the BOT/BOD sticking to their agreement with him better than they have carried out their pledge in public to take care of Mrs.W. for the rest of her life!

Later 90's it became very difficult to maintain an arrangement to live with other believers. I know a person that did their budget to live with 3 others, 4 living in a nice large condo. The finances were approved by BC’s and the folks moved in together. Few months and one would be M&A’d, That was ok, 3 could pull it off! Did I mention the years lease? A couple more months and another was M&A’d, making it impossible for the remaining 2. Easy fix! M&A a parent with young adult living at home, move that young adult in with the 2 while mom is out of town for the weekend! The three were barely able to tread water to finish out the lease. All 3 had to walk on eggshells, when the lease was up one pushed for them to continue living together. They wouldn’t fall for it and a good thing as the pushy one was gone in a couple of months.