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There were also some sacrificial lambs, those that operated the special doctrine and when push came to shove they got the boot. One quite well loved and famous early corps had a married woman come to him and admit she hated sex. The acting LC said that was because she had never had it with a man that loved gawd!! Ordered her to strip and she would find out how really wonderful sex could be. Instead, she raced out and called HQ, and talked to VP. The official story on the field was the man and his family were given the opportunity to get off salary and build a life, which he was given in front of the WC.. Some of the WC in the state he was in were told the real story and to keep it quiet. Then there was a time a friend of mine that was apprentice corps told me he was getting worn out by a few women in his city that had *needs*. I asked what the heck he was doing and talking about, that was when I heard that during an after hours hanging out with Joyful Noise some of them shared that sex can be a need, and gawd would rather meet your need than have you walking around out of fellowship because you needed laid! Before I could act the LC (a 6th corps now Dr....) Called and put a stop to this bs!!!!!! That wasn’t really what they shared, what was shared that in the rare, very rare case that lack of sexual activity among singles, it would be better than walking around out of fellowship. My friend and his little harum with needs were strongly reproved and moved around. ( and of course what single wouldn’t all of a sudden be constantly out of fellowship with so many good looking singles around?) Oh, the LC quoted better to wed than to burn. Maybe socks would know if some were playing that tune.... But then when the great migration left in the 80's and all those leaders left........... well the people I knew that followed that one bunch had told married women if their hubby wasn’t doing, go get some. A few married gals came to me and said so and so said, so none of us left and followed the loud-mouthed *comedian*. Perhaps the pot was calling the kettle black, but never heard such a thing from HQ!!!!! Just as LCM said sex for teens was up to the parents, he was also the one that ranted and spewed over the ROA being an orgy for some teens............................... mixed singnals.

fleas fornicating???? I am getting a flea collar!!!!!!

OK Hairy Uncle.........wtfau?????? or more nicely put. do I know you???? :D-->

Ummmm............ There are many of us that found out immediately upon leaving the Walls of Zion, that, well, geeezzzzzzz............. People didn’t want to be friends with us or just hang with us........... Seems walking in the Promised Land of the Perverts Word turned us into such hard-@$$’s we weren’t any fun anyway!!!!!! Seriously, soon after leaving TWI many people I associated with noticed a difference with my attitude and came out and asked me what had changed. One boss I told I had quit the religious group I had been with, he looked puzzled and said I thought those kind of thing were supposed to help! Many others shared that soon after they left TWI other people would comment on how it appeared a burden had been lifted from them. In TWI-1 it was we have no friends when it comes to the Word, TWI-2 was you’ll get contaminated by those unbelievers! Confront them with the Word and if they don’t sign for the class right then, move on............................ or they will drag you and the household down!

dmiller, exactly! Why are the very practices of some groups considered acceptable and mainstream and others mind controlling cults? Is it because the acceptable have been around a certain number of years? Then add into the mix that the anti-cults practice the same things, if not worse than the cults they are trying to save people from. Shellon, read and follow some of the links. Brainwashing is just another *snow-job*, never scientifically proven. Sold a bag of worms by a cult, don’t buy into another bag of the same quality stuff when leaving the first bag behind. Does this mean we weren’t wrongly influenced and placed into situations that we caved into the crap of just following along for the greater *good* or the *group*? Of course we were, but it wasn’t by magicians capable of discovering the hidden secrets of mind-bending manipulation that eluded the commies and the CIA! (((((((Digi)))))) your mantre has made your husband a happy man!!!!! Keep up the obey,obey obey!!!!!!!!

4 years????????? That’s old enough for you to explain yourself young lady!!!!! You realize what you put us through in chat waiting for your arrival????? Next thing we know it will be graduation annousement!!!!

What, am I some kind of freak of nature? ( Watch it smart-@$$’s!) A social outcast unfit to live in the mainstream? These and other question come up while thinking about previous affiliation with what became a despicable group and the inability to just put it behind and leave things like this site alone. But, many times the easy answer doesn’t set well, that being the “we were brainwashed”! Seems to me that taking the easy answers is associated with the previous pickle I was in. After a look at this site, perhaps in the greater scheme of things I am just a part of society that always has been. That and when claims were made such as the great impact and change “one man’s stand on the Word made”, the changes I have witnessed in my life time can be explained by this site also. Movements has a whole, not the individuals or the individual groups bring about some change, evolution if you will; into society as a whole. OK, I am weird but did find some better answers or explanations as to the why’s and wherefore’s of my life :D-->

OK, connection wasn’t a very good way to describe or convey what I intended. The site is from the sociology dept. of the university, studying the impact of religion in society. I found the cult controversy interesting, keep in mind the study concerned numerous organizations that the professor has determined to call new religious movements because of the following: This reminded me of us, the GS community. Now hold on a minute before any tail feathers get ruffled! Made me think that we do all fit into one or the other of these categories and that we are not so unique in this world. That is from here How many times have we had discussions on this subject brainwashing (Garth you are going to love this section)

Take a look at this site from the U of Virginia. See any connections? interesting study take a look around

The main focus of the WAP class was, well, no surprise.............. the teacher!!!!!!!!! PFAL did the will teach you how things, ever notice that WAP was read and read? Not that reading is bad, just if you are to read and read the chances of ever really examining and seeing the class content is wrong is greatly reduced! WAP was the worst case of self promotion, ie: I am MOGFOT! Follow me!!!!!!

Dang Ala!!!!!! I have paws and they are suppose to be hairy like this!!!!!!! Does this mean tho I have the tongue of amazing seamonkies and have not red-cross I am a blow-hard??????

Animal Spirits???? --> Somebody call??????? :D--> BTW, after tireless hours and sleepless night caused by the very thought of the dark monkey walking through my dreams............ I now SIM!!!!!!! Thank-you OLM Bluze !!!!!!!

Now Raf, Don’t forget to mention to have a history of having anti-Mormon sites and stating your intent was to draw people away from them! The claim of being a (cough) news group would hold up in this case if there hadn’t been such a history to show intent. To become one after the fact I think will work to their advantage.

Ex10, Interesting, because of the time period and different *ministries* we were in. After you left and TWI became the walled city, and even more when all of us that remained crossed the bridge (no one ever saw) into the Promised Land of the Pervert’s Word, having a need was absolutely a sign of weakness. *Followers* would choose to act as if everything was fine and never talk about problems or needs, as these always lead to numerous confrontations because, BECAUSE your believing was screwed up! This reminds me of people being told they were using to much of their leaders time getting over their weakness so they needed to go on spiritual probation and come back when they were no longer a burden. Too much of the leaders precious time? Funny, what happened to the chiefest being the greatest servant??????

OH, I get it ...... :D-->This is why Forrest Gump had trouble Just think if Forrest had made positive confessions!

LMAO :D-->

The old saying comes to mind: He that lives by the sword shall die by the sword. Maybe its time for a new saying more fitting for the 21st century. He that lives to sue shall always get their @$$ drug into court, how’s that? Maybe we could do better. He who lives by the lawyer will need one for bankruptcy, maybe not. He that lives to sue will sleep in the streets, not quite there yet. Any ideas out there to bring this type of obsession into a one-liner for this modern world we live in? How many times do you think the judge wishes they could hit some one representing themselves on the head with the gavel and shout this is not TV bozo! --> Long Gone, you still running around not being *handled*?????? :D--> And some wonder why some of us have trouble with this guy............ :P--> Want some cheese with that whine?????? Hope the trial goes better than this thread, there will be REAL opposition!!!!! -->

When I was around 12 years old, Dad decided I should be the one to go up into the grain bin above the milk stalls and shovel the hot rolled barley to keep the auger cleared and get the full truck load up there. Went up there and there had to be 100 wasps, the big yellow-jackets that can sting and sting. So I quickly ran down and informed Dad of the horrible dangers waiting me up there. We will have to spray and wait for them all to die! Dad told me to just get up there and keep my mind on the grain and forget the bugs, if I left them alone, they’d leave me alone! Dang if it didn’t work. So well that in high school I did some odd and end jobs for a man that included setting out his bees. He wore all the gear and got stung. I had on a T-shirt and never got bothered.

OH but (jack)song, that's 2!

Well, I didn’t mean it that way --> but then again........hmmmmm ;)-->

Didn't VP state something like this was the spririt most common to alcoholics? As in his personal experience? Hi Pat! :D-->

Can’t? More like won’t! Just like there is a big difference between being oblivious to the evil and staying with a group and staying with a group knowing that the group is evil at the top........

Long Gone, We were both wrong!!!! It is the PMS auditorium! The Prevailing Monkies of the Sea!!!!! That’s what happens when a group goes from a king to a queen..... :P-->

Playing the *devil’s advocate* here, :D--> ;)--> Let’s say that Socks owns and operates www.seamonkiesonmars.com and in the interest of bringing all those that hunger and thirst for *monkey* love to his site he registers all the .’s he can. But mean while the evil dark monkey finds out and slips in and registers www.amazingseamonkiesonmars.com to divert all searchers to his own anti-seamonkey site, because after all monkey love is a farce and socks runs a CULT!!!!! Now the dark monkey behaves his monkey @$$ for a few years and finds that the seamonkies on Mars group is all at once operating some what unchallenged, or relatively quietly. Now since the dark monkey has made it his life’s work to expose the evil because after all he now has the truth, in his total black and white world, he decides to do something to rattle the poor little monkies habitat! Rather than to contact the OLM socks, the dark monkey goes to an other anti-seamonkey site, his sister’s (www.flashmyboobies.com) and posts intent to sell the www.amazingseamonkiesonmars.com for a ridiculous price. He also has it posted that the possible use for this anti-monkey group could be to parody the real and only true household of seamonkies! Now there are billions of sites the use seamonkey and related names, but there is only one dark monkey with proven intent to defame those amazing monkies and their true followers! There are related sites to prove the evil intent of OLM socks and his group, yet only one dark monkey with his site bashing those adorable little and amazing monkies! As a side note, OLM socks has announced to the faithful remnant of Seamonkey Zion........ * we ain’t giving the evil dark monkey a red cent of your ABS!!!!!!!* A roar of applause filled the MOW auditorium!!!!!!! Now I think if one looks at the whole history, track record and greed, perhaps OLM socks has more of a case than his opponent the dark monkey can see.........

And let’s not forget the people that needed prayed for and ministering that actually asked their full time WC for the help they desired. I knew people that were told that they had a problem because the present truth being taught from HQ was so hot *we* don’t need ministering any more. After all in the promised land of the pervert’s word, Zion was right next to God if not God and the answers and results always happened right now! Unless of course you were weak, then you were the problem and must be removed!