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[J0nny Ling0]

Well, I'm drinking ta night. Jim Beam. Couldja pour me another one on the rocks please? Well, it is early... :blink:

And so, my opinion is worthless here...I did make a semi intelligent post earlier, but, it went un-noticed, no one commented....Oh well...Nitey night! Best to ya C-Man!

Edited December 6, 2006 by Jonny Lingo

[cman]

frickafrack-

you don't know the love exc and i speak of

you could ask

and no one blamed the bottle

it is the person and the bottle

and there is more then just one person to look at

the problem is in the mind and body

stopping drinking is only the start

you must not read too well or comprehend

and Jonny, i used to have more respect for your comments

i hope you can make some that make sense

Edited December 6, 2006 by cman

[cman]

and i blame no one but myself

i almost lost my family

suspended from work for 2 weeks without pay

if it wasn't for my friend at work

and me being honest

i would have lost my job

sleepless nites

peace comes and goes

but getting better

Edited December 6, 2006 by cman

[VeganXTC]

Quoting Outofdafog:

You are never truly delivered. At some point if it is truly of God, shouldn't you be delivered??

I don't know if I can agree here. Christ was still tempted, and he is of God. Couldn't an addict still be tempted by his drug, and be delivered? IMO, the deliverance comes when the addict says no, even if the addict has to say no a million times a day. I don't think its all or nothing.

Please know that I'm not saying you're wrong. I honestly don't know that much about deliverance from addiction. I've just heard stories of people who said they were delivered, and then they succumb to their vice. Maybe they truely were delivered, but became complacent, and then temptation came, and they fell. I just don't think its wrong to be watchful.

I also think people can be jerks whether they are addicts or not. I don't think one necessarily goes with the other. (I'm not calling anyone here a jerk. I'm just making an observation.)

[Linda Z]

Jonny, what in the world is wrong with you?

[excathedra]

c, i hope peace comes more and more and stays longer and longer

thank god you didn't lose your family or job

or yourself

thank you for your thread and thoughts

[cman]

you are very welcome exc

contact me any time

-----

and for anyone interested

this is what i'm working on

it compliments a lot of what i already know

it also allows much freedom of thought

and help

i've read the first 7 chapters in the book they gave me

so far

and it's online

http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_tableofcnt.cfm

[frickafrack]

frickafrack-

you don't know the love exc and i speak of

you could ask

that's the funniest schidt i've read in a while

i won't ask...i'd rather not know...thank you

you must not read too well or comprehend

english is not my native language...but i try, i try....

and Jonny, i used to have more respect for your comments

i hope you can make some that make sense

and Jonny, the day you need the respect of this sort of man is the day YOU need another "make myself feel good put others down sub cult-ure groupie kinda thing gathering with unique language and special books that meets at least once a week" ;) ;)

been there ....done that

D. all of the above

Edited December 7, 2006 by frickafrack

[oilfieldmedic]

well dude...I got into it in 1983...couple of birthdays since then (you know what I mean)

1996 July was my last one

Now you know what's in the cup in my picture...COMMUNITY COFFEE DARK ROAST

...and you all thought it was JD #7, shame on you...LOL!

Have a great day y'all

One day at a time

[dmiller]

and for anyone interested

this is what i'm working on

it compliments a lot of what i already know

it also allows much freedom of thought

and help

i've read the first 7 chapters in the book they gave me

so far

and it's online

http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_tableofcnt.cfm

Thanks Clay. Looks like I have some down loading

(and reading), to do. :)

You take care, eh???

[cman]

although to some and perhaps jonny

it may seem as i put him down

aa does not belittle anyone in any way

you can even show up drunk

and as long as you don't disrupt what is going on

no one will even look at you any different then anyone else

no one looks at anyone in a spiteful or negative way

we've done that enough to ourselves and everyone knows it

so sorry Jonny if you were offended by my remarks

but they were distasteful and i reacted

frickafrack

you just don't know what you are talking about

you don't know aa

it's not what you imply that it is

the only requirement to go is to want to stop drinking

thanks oilfield and dmiller

much thanks to all who posted

and it's still open

[cman]

and i'll add this

it's about progress not perfection

no one is perfect

if you want to stop drinking and couldn't after trying

aa can help, they know how

i tried many ways to stop only to stop for a while then start again

worse each time

i wanted to stop for good

because i never could stop at one or two

i had to drink the whole 6 pack

then even go to the store and buy more

and in my insanity i started in on vodka

there is something in aa for you

if you want to stop drinking

you don't have to agree with everything

take the steps and be honest

[cman]

even many in aa have relapsed into drinking

so they continue to come back to work on the steps

i'm telling you that there is nothing wrong with the alcoholic

except the alcohol

this is what is discussed and deliverance from is aquired by the thousands now

alcoholism is a disease....a dis-ease

[cman]

i've also discovered other things that help me in aa

that has nothing to do with the alcohol itself

defeciencies and flaws and i'm learning about that

and we all have them

[DrtyDzn]

i'm telling you that there is nothing wrong with the alcoholic

except the alcohol

That's taking it a little too far. They just have to learn other ways of dealing with their shortcomings other than becoming anestetised. Doesn't AA have the concept of a dry drunk?

Jerry

[cman]

hi DrtyDzn

Doesn't AA have the concept of a dry drunk?

Please explain this.

Perhaps there is that in aa.

I've only been going for a short time now.

Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_drunk

i found this

it's these thought processes that are dealt with in aa

like i said i've only been going for a short time

but i've learned that this is what is being nailed

discovered and removed by a power greater then yourself

because you haven't done it on your own

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[cman]

for instance-

since twi, i'm very nervous about going to meetings

and i was self employed and always got nervous before the job

and now i'm employed by a company and still get nervous about showing up for work

i don't know why

just a feeling of nervousness before even going shopping or out to eat

i had become a recluse of a sort

so i've at least recognized this and it did drive me to drink

to calm my nerves

just recognizing it alone just about kills it

but i trust God will work in me too

perhaps some can relate to this

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[cman]

in aa you will have a sponser in which to confide

and in full confidence that whatever is discussed between the two of you

will not be disclosed to any one else

this is part of the process

to tell of these flaws to another face to face

if you hold back then it will not work

and of course these things take time

there is no pressure to rush it

if it's rushed it will not work either

my previous post is the truth

i gave it as an example

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[cman]

remember that's part of why it's anonymous

it's first name basis

no one knows where you live or work

[cman]

o and no name tags either :)

sure tests my memory...lol

these are good people making their lives and others better

no one is judged at all

in any shape form or fashion-period.

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[Belle]

I read a really good book a few years ago called High Bottom Drunk. I think there are a lot more "high bottom drunks" out there than we realize.

I don't care what's going on with the individuals - how they explain things - how they think about themselves and their alcoholism - I'm just glad they're getting help.

[coolchef]

me too belle and i wish the nay sayers on this thread would back of from those people who are making an effort to help themselves

[cman]

Thanks for the tip on the book Belle!

Thanks cool, these obstacles will always be in our way wether with alcohol or something else.

I learned that if we are grateful then the good can be found out of things

And if we are resentful then it will all be pretty much bad.

I was resentful that i had to work second shift, and the type of work that i was doing. That made it a bad job for me. And that is how i felt about it and it stirred other bad things as well. Bitterness and such.

Now I'm grateful for the job that i was able to keep with help from others.

I'm grateful to have a job! Then I see that there are many good things about it.

So, better attitude and a change in my life. A spiritual change.

And I know some don't think it's spiritual but it's the SAME JOB.

So what changed? Me. Godly attitudes make for Godly changes.

Thoughts are spiritual.

Can't be grateful or thankful and resentful at the same time.

So there is a choice in circumstances.

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[cman]

btw-JonnyLingo

That was another thing that would cause me to drink sometimes.

Someone not responding to my post.

Thanks for what you posted.

Also I know I missed thanking many personally for their input.

Shellon, You are always listened to by me.

edit

The ones I see anyway...lol...sorry-sounded like a stalker or something-i'm not.

Edited December 7, 2006 by cman

[Shellon]

Thanks c man.

I'm supporting you, praying with you, excited for you!