Really? So now....you know what ALL of us experienced in twi? <_<
Mad? Not really. Just making an emphatic point about wierwille's cult/socialism. In wierwille's commune, when everyone is "paid on a need basis, guaranteeing basic needs to be met, staffers couldn't do any secular work or overtime to enhance their income, twi monitored the income salaries thru the PR department, all new "research" from research team was collectively wierwille's to proclaim and put his name on new publications, ownership was taught as unnecessary for staff/corps.....
YES.....if it quacks like a duck, its socialism.
What you have described as your experience -- that was objectionable to you -- is not socialism, but fascism.
You're not mad about what you experienced while involved in twi? Really? Do you even read what you write at GSC?
By the way, socialism is NOT communism. Use the word "commune" all you want, but you're still describing something that does not fit with the word (socialism) you want to label it.
Socialism has been in practice in the USA since before the Declaration of Independence.
There is probably no other word more misunderstood in American civics.
What you have described as your experience -- that was objectionable to you -- is not socialism, but fascism.
You're not mad about what you experienced while involved in twi? Really? Do you even read what you write at GSC?
By the way, socialism is NOT communism. Use the word "commune" all you want, but you're still describing something that does not fit with the word (socialism) you want to label it.
Socialism has been in practice in the USA since before the Declaration of Independence.
There is probably no other word more misunderstood in American civics.
Whatever you say, rocky.
And yeah......I've visited your political/democratic/socialist/one-sided website. <_<
Can we all agree these so-called "leadership training programs" were oppressive/repressive?
If I learned anything at all, it's that the human spirit is surprisingly resilient and can rebound from adversity in ways we might never have expected.
Can we all agree these so-called "leadership training programs" were oppressive/repressive?
If I learned anything at all, it's that the human spirit is surprisingly resilient and can rebound from adversity in ways we might never have expected.
I kinda doubt that we ALL can agree about those "leadership training programs being oppressive/repressive."
The fellow-laborer program that you, waysider, experienced was horrendously oppressive. Same with my corps experience.
Yet, some posters try to tell us what they think "we all" experienced or didn't experience. And, especially when some
poster left the inresidence corps program and struck out on his own.
Perhaps, he won't mind if you call it oppressive/repressive.....but don't you dare speak of it as "socialism." You see,
he has a "dog in that fight" with his political website and democratic leanings.
It's got to be called according to his terms. Like the ongoing debate......it's a TAX says the supreme court on healthcare law.
Nope, it's a penalty or mandate says the democratic party. Yet, the highest court in the land constitutionally labeled it a TAX.
Oppressive.. decisions (what is the word.. it will return in a few moments..) made. You know.. no judge, jury or official executioner needed.. what is that word..
As to what..
1. where you live
2. who you live with
3. who you marry..
4. where you work.. can't interfere with "twig" you know..
ah.. now it comes. Summary Judgement.. no right of appeal..
maybe no right of appeal in society.. but not right of appeal in the organization..
I think the only reason anyone was not "bothered" was because *they* liked where they were at.. VERY good job, VERY good pay, something to bring prestige to the ministry..
Yeah......getting a job and keeping a job were two different things. After about three months,
it became obvious who was serious about being a WOW and who were the free-loaders.
Sky, three months?? I think it was more like three weeks! My WOW Sister lost her job in May, and never looked for a new one. I too lost my job, but I found a new one. I think my WOW year was the worse year of my life.
Perhaps I should clarify this post. I was commenting on a specific program, not
"the ministry" in general.
In the program (read: commune) we had several mandatory funds. There was a fellowlaborer fund, which paid rent and utilities, a house fund, which covered individual house expenses, such as dish soap, toilet paper and the like, and a food fund (Manna fund), which covered the expenses involved with our food co-op. We had a community garden that supplied our vegetable needs. We were also expected to share freely of our pluralities. So, if you had a car and weren't using it one day, you were expected to loan it to someone who needed it. (It's not hard to understand how this aspect was subject to abuse by people who always seemed to be more "needy" than others.) We also had to "abundantly share" to support the limb facility, just like everyone else in the state. Even our time was considered communally owned, though we were permitted some individual time on Sundays to wash clothes and run errands. This is what I meant by the socialism aspect.
At the same time, we had absolutely no voice in how these funds and rules were developed or administered. Our time was strictly controlled. We were not free to pursue hobbies or outside interests. We were not permitted to fraternize with or date anyone outside the program. We were told when to get up, when to go to bed, what to do, what not to do, when to eat, what to eat, and how to eat. None of these items were up for discussion or questioning. Obedience ruled the day. This is what I meant by the authoritarian aspect.
Edit:
So, when I hear people talk about how much they learned in the program, I have to wonder exactly what it is they think they "learned".
Way, when did TWI have the FL program? I don't remember a FL program when I was in back in 1978-1988.
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An organization masquerading as a "christian group" that does NOT care about people.
Any lurkers out there getting this?
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What you have described as your experience -- that was objectionable to you -- is not socialism, but fascism.
You're not mad about what you experienced while involved in twi? Really? Do you even read what you write at GSC?
By the way, socialism is NOT communism. Use the word "commune" all you want, but you're still describing something that does not fit with the word (socialism) you want to label it.
Socialism has been in practice in the USA since before the Declaration of Independence.
There is probably no other word more misunderstood in American civics.
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Whatever you say, rocky.
And yeah......I've visited your political/democratic/socialist/one-sided website. <_<
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Can we all agree these so-called "leadership training programs" were oppressive/repressive?
If I learned anything at all, it's that the human spirit is surprisingly resilient and can rebound from adversity in ways we might never have expected.
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I kinda doubt that we ALL can agree about those "leadership training programs being oppressive/repressive."
The fellow-laborer program that you, waysider, experienced was horrendously oppressive. Same with my corps experience.
Yet, some posters try to tell us what they think "we all" experienced or didn't experience. And, especially when some
poster left the inresidence corps program and struck out on his own.
Perhaps, he won't mind if you call it oppressive/repressive.....but don't you dare speak of it as "socialism." You see,
he has a "dog in that fight" with his political website and democratic leanings.
It's got to be called according to his terms. Like the ongoing debate......it's a TAX says the supreme court on healthcare law.
Nope, it's a penalty or mandate says the democratic party. Yet, the highest court in the land constitutionally labeled it a TAX.
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Oppressive.. but the food was good(?)...
ahhh.. for the days of WOW Burgers..
Oppressive.. decisions (what is the word.. it will return in a few moments..) made. You know.. no judge, jury or official executioner needed.. what is that word..
As to what..
1. where you live
2. who you live with
3. who you marry..
4. where you work.. can't interfere with "twig" you know..
ah.. now it comes. Summary Judgement.. no right of appeal..
maybe no right of appeal in society.. but not right of appeal in the organization..
I think the only reason anyone was not "bothered" was because *they* liked where they were at.. VERY good job, VERY good pay, something to bring prestige to the ministry..
yeah, you had a "good life".. or did you?
Interesting..
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Krys, and my money is mine to keep!!
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Sky, three months?? I think it was more like three weeks! My WOW Sister lost her job in May, and never looked for a new one. I too lost my job, but I found a new one. I think my WOW year was the worse year of my life.
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Way, when did TWI have the FL program? I don't remember a FL program when I was in back in 1978-1988.
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