The parents were talked into it. She was really persistent, prepared a lot, and the guy was in his “love bomb” period. Only turned murderous later when he had her isolated from family.
Yeah he escaped justice.
But they were children. She was bipolar? He was too young.
I forgive victor. I pity victor. If victor could have believed big enough to live long enough, he might have been lead to meet me, and if called, I might have "taught" him, as he pretended to "teach" others. I might have "taught" TF out of him. Bless his little black heart.
HOWEVER, my forgiveness of him does not change what I can discern about him, what I can perceive about him, what I can observe. Once seen, it can't be unseen.
victor paul wierwille is the thief come to steal, kill and destroy. Forgiving him doesn't change this discerned, observed fact, but my forgiving him changes me.
If victor repented and asked for forgiveness, it would change him, too.
Bless his little, black heart. I wish you all could read it in the original.
You guys do more damage to the way's recruiting efforts than they could do themselves.
Facts.
Lately, I’ve wondered: Is TWI embarrassed that Mike and Johniam are defenders of the cult? Why hasn’t TWI tried to stop the crazy train? Their apologia is so cringe.
If TWI could have beleeeved big enough, they might have been able to train up and teach thugs to silence them. Like Scientology.
Lately, I’ve wondered: Is TWI embarrassed that Mike and Johniam are defenders of the cult? Why hasn’t TWI tried to stop the crazy train? Their apologia is so cringe.
If TWI could have beleeeved big enough, they might have been able to train up and teach thugs to silence them. Like Scientology.
I know the directors, except Vern, who was a region guy when I was cabinet. Well, I know Vern the least of the group and Angela a close second. I talked with Vern a few times on break during leaders meetings and placements. Pleasant enough guy. Anyway -- let me say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the both of them are embarrising to them. That I can tell you with 100% confidence. Like I said --- keep on keeping on.
Lately, I’ve wondered: Is TWI embarrassed that Mike and Johniam are defenders of the cult? Why hasn’t TWI tried to stop the crazy train? Their apologia is so cringe.
If TWI could have beleeeved big enough, they might have been able to train up and teach thugs to silence them. Like Scientology.
If the whole world is becoming more adverse to The Bible . . . .The Way would probably want to ditch that if they want to grow
If the whole world is becoming more adverse to The Bible . . . .The Way would probably want to ditch that if they want to grow
Is the whole world becoming more adverse to the Bible?
I don’t think the Bible itself is hindering their growth. It’s how (H-O-W) they interpret it and use it. That, and all the destruction of lives, all the hate, the judgement.
I think if they knew how (H-O-W) to read it in the original, it might help them grow, at least incrementally. Bless their little hearts.
I know the directors, except Vern, who was a region guy when I was cabinet. Well, I know Vern the least of the group and Angela a close second. I talked with Vern a few times on break during leaders meetings and placements. Pleasant enough guy. Anyway -- let me say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the both of them are embarrising to them. That I can tell you with 100% confidence. Like I said --- keep on keeping on.
Is the whole world becoming more adverse to the Bible?
I don’t think the Bible itself is hindering their growth. It’s how (H-O-W) they interpret it and use it. That, and all the destruction of lives, all the hate, the judgement.
I think if they knew how (H-O-W) to read it in the original, it might help them grow, at least incrementally. Bless their little hearts.
OK, not the whole world, but Christianity is declining in the United States. So maybe TWI strategically wants to move offshore.
If people aren't drawn to the bible, or are less likely to be raised to think they need the bible, then yes, TWI will find less potential buyers.
As the world population becomes atomized in general . . . I don't think people will be as drawn to groups that meet if people's houses
OK, not the whole world, but Christianity is declining in the United States. So maybe TWI strategically wants to move offshore.
If people aren't drawn to the bible, or are less likely to be raised to think they need the bible, then yes, TWI will find less potential buyers.
As the world population becomes atomized in general . . . I don't think people will be as drawn to groups that meet if people's houses
Right. Religion in general is declining in the U.S. It must be the devil.
It seems TWI is having some success in Africa. The Congo and proximate countries. Also, Venezuela? It's on their website. (I just ate.)
The point is, they are only having success in areas most vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation and destruction. Desperate regions where charlatan huckster criminal leaders are the norm.
It seems TWI is having some success in Africa. The Congo and proximate countries. Also, Venezuela? It's on their website. (I just ate.)
The point is, they are only having success in areas most vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation and destruction. Desperate regions where charlatan huckster criminal leaders are the norm.
Thats definately part of it. Also, a lot of countries don't really have much to do with HQ and the shenanigans that happen stateside. They have their own shenanigans though. But they are largely insulated from HQ.
Thats definately part of it. Also, a lot of countries don't really have much to do with HQ and the shenanigans that happen stateside. They have their own shenanigans though. But they are largely insulated from HQ.
Again, "HQ" -- why is this not a red flag to anyone?
I think it was Twinky who posted an article or FB snippets of rape cover ups in African limbs or branches or whatever.
The shenanigans are global and rooted in the sandy, slithery foundation set by the slithering victor paul wierwille.
Again, "HQ" -- why is this not a red flag to anyone?
I think it was Twinky who posted an article or FB snippets of rape cover ups in African limbs or branches or whatever.
The shenanigans are global and rooted in the sandy, slithery foundation set by the slithering victor paul wierwille.
The way tree is known by its corrupt fruit.
HQ, presidents cabinet, president and founder, and not to mention wierwille wanted people to play hail to the chief when he entered a room at times. Yeah -- delusions of grandeur.
Lately, I’ve wondered: Is TWI embarrassed that Mike and Johniam are defenders of the cult? Why hasn’t TWI tried to stop the crazy train?
I've thought along somewhat parallel lines, but in opposite directions.
I’ve wondered for 20 years is TWI happy that I face their Goliaths for them? ...thus relieving them of the hassle?
For a long time, like 15 and 20 years ago, I was pi$$ed they weren’t sending in reinforcements to help me !!
It occurred to me once that there may be WayGB agents who post here under pseudonyms. (DONT look at me!) But soon I realized that the $$$ cost of that was something only the pre1986 ministry could afford.
But as several more years ticked by, I came across several reasons for their silence here, as well as their silence in general, and their general insularity. Some of the possible reasons I arrived at were noble reasons, some ignoble.
I started slowly empathizing with them. Later still, when I met with local leaders with the big changes starting a few years ago, they confirmed some of my hunches.
Contrary to my slow warm-up to TWI people lately, I have ALWAYS empathized with the people here at GreaseSpot, as I do to this day.
How you say? ...as you wipe fresh-spit coffee off your keyboard and monitor.
I had previews of GreaseSpot sentiments years before it started.
I had private previews of a lot of the horror movies that stirred the founding of WayDale and GSC.
I had to produce a mini-version, a "pre-Schoenheit Paper" about 6 years before he did.
I started grappling with the mission of the Research Department in the later 197os, possibly before Charlene did.(BTW, I haven't gotten that point in my reading.)
In July 1987 Ralph D visited SD and did a 2 day meeting, with several meetings per day. I attended Day 2 for several hours. It was almost identical to everything that goes on today here at GreaseSpot, only it was LIVE, no re-takes, no editing, no protection from shoving and fists in heated discussions !!!
I was absolutely sickened when I got my first viewing of the Schoenheit Paper there. Ralph gave me a thick copy. I had heard “all” about it from local loyalist Corps, that its devil spirits would get a reader believing in the Trinity in no time.But at that LIVE GreaseSpot meeting in 1967 I could see that it was almost identical to my in-house twig research on sex in 1980 !!!
That made me as bitter as anyone here !
I was NOT touting the collaterals at all back then. I was an A.V. man and what mattered to me was the PFAL'68 video. I had privately come to the conclusion that VPW went through some kind of downward spiral, or downward spasm after LCM came in.
I had started tuning out VPW a few years earlier, when I heard his voice on an SNT around Dec 1982, and could tell he had a stroke. I was also not happy with him for the Corps, by the time of Ralph's meeting in 1987.
The Corps were a problem for me in the early 80s, but the secrecy and strongarming they did after the 1986 POP was the end of my respect, for what I called by then "Wierwille's Folly."
What I heard there from Ralph sunk my respect for VPW the man, not just his Corps.
For the next 10 years I had some wild adventures.I still thought the 1968 video class video was gold, but that VPW had slipped from his diligence after the filming. I likened it to what happens to some Olympic Gold Winners in the years after reaching their gold pinnacle. I knew that kind of thing happened to Solomon.
During that decade of time, 1987 to 1998, I went up and down on my memories and conversations about VPW.I was often thankful for his ministry that made the class, but thought sometime afterwards he went from best to good, and then much lower.During that 10 years I attended all of John Lynn’s meetings. He came once a year after Ralph, until 1998.That was the time I discovered that I had missed a lot that was in the collaterals.
So, I can empathize with everyone here in their disappointment with VPW and TWI.I just happened to go through it all earlier, and was then miraculously handed the solution in 1998.
I know the directors, except Vern, who was a region guy when I was cabinet. Well, I know Vern the least of the group and Angela a close second. I talked with Vern a few times on break during leaders meetings and placements. Pleasant enough guy. Anyway -- let me say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the both of them are embarrising to them. That I can tell you with 100% confidence. Like I said --- keep on keeping on.
Just to be clear, leadership at HQ are embarrassed by Mike and johniam posting on the internet?
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Mike. Get this clear. I hate no-one. I hate ABUSE. Agape thinks no evil? Right. Agape calls evil out!! And I'm calling out the abuse that occurred and likely still occurs. That's not hate
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Okay reading thru this I find it hard to believe the lack of empathy. Mike is always looking to run down anyone who went thru the Corps as a problem. Actually, I don't find it hard t believe. The w
OldSkool
Correct! But a Christian organization that is all about material abundance is not a Christian orginazation at all because that's not what Christianity is about and its shameful to even attach Christ n
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Yeah he escaped justice.
But they were children. She was bipolar? He was too young.
All the parents should shamed for eternity.
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That you arent able to use the quote function makes your content that much more unintelligible...keep up the good work!
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It's not the inverse. It's two separate statements with different, unrelated meanings.
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I forgive victor. I pity victor. If victor could have believed big enough to live long enough, he might have been lead to meet me, and if called, I might have "taught" him, as he pretended to "teach" others. I might have "taught" TF out of him. Bless his little black heart.
HOWEVER, my forgiveness of him does not change what I can discern about him, what I can perceive about him, what I can observe. Once seen, it can't be unseen.
victor paul wierwille is the thief come to steal, kill and destroy. Forgiving him doesn't change this discerned, observed fact, but my forgiving him changes me.
If victor repented and asked for forgiveness, it would change him, too.
Bless his little, black heart. I wish you all could read it in the original.
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Jeep! Jeep!
Think some are still on the fence.
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The 70s! So delicious!
Great photo, whoever took it. Do you know what year this was taken? Is that Chris Greer driving the Jeep?
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Bolshevik
Judging from the tracks it appears to be in gear.
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It's hard to see, but is that a sidearm on his hip?
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Bolshevik
He does appear to be saluting. Hail Victor!
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Oh, to be a charlatan huckster in that day and time! Wow.
Gosh, even to be a music coordinator worshipping a charlatan huckster in that day and time. Oh, the nostalgia... swoon!
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Bolshevik
Later they gave him 5 twinkies and two RC colas . . . and he fed all 5000 of them with that . . . if you believe that it's true
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It’s true if you beleeeve it is. Only an unbeleeeving empty wouldn’t beleeeve that.
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Facts.
Lately, I’ve wondered: Is TWI embarrassed that Mike and Johniam are defenders of the cult? Why hasn’t TWI tried to stop the crazy train? Their apologia is so cringe.
If TWI could have beleeeved big enough, they might have been able to train up and teach thugs to silence them. Like Scientology.
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I know the directors, except Vern, who was a region guy when I was cabinet. Well, I know Vern the least of the group and Angela a close second. I talked with Vern a few times on break during leaders meetings and placements. Pleasant enough guy. Anyway -- let me say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the both of them are embarrising to them. That I can tell you with 100% confidence. Like I said --- keep on keeping on.
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If the whole world is becoming more adverse to The Bible . . . .The Way would probably want to ditch that if they want to grow
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Is the whole world becoming more adverse to the Bible?
I don’t think the Bible itself is hindering their growth. It’s how (H-O-W) they interpret it and use it. That, and all the destruction of lives, all the hate, the judgement.
I think if they knew how (H-O-W) to read it in the original, it might help them grow, at least incrementally. Bless their little hearts.
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Wow. Just wow.
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OK, not the whole world, but Christianity is declining in the United States. So maybe TWI strategically wants to move offshore.
If people aren't drawn to the bible, or are less likely to be raised to think they need the bible, then yes, TWI will find less potential buyers.
As the world population becomes atomized in general . . . I don't think people will be as drawn to groups that meet if people's houses
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Right. Religion in general is declining in the U.S. It must be the devil.
It seems TWI is having some success in Africa. The Congo and proximate countries. Also, Venezuela? It's on their website. (I just ate.)
The point is, they are only having success in areas most vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation and destruction. Desperate regions where charlatan huckster criminal leaders are the norm.
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Thats definately part of it. Also, a lot of countries don't really have much to do with HQ and the shenanigans that happen stateside. They have their own shenanigans though. But they are largely insulated from HQ.
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Again, "HQ" -- why is this not a red flag to anyone?
I think it was Twinky who posted an article or FB snippets of rape cover ups in African limbs or branches or whatever.
The shenanigans are global and rooted in the sandy, slithery foundation set by the slithering victor paul wierwille.
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The way tree is known by its corrupt fruit.
HQ, presidents cabinet, president and founder, and not to mention wierwille wanted people to play hail to the chief when he entered a room at times. Yeah -- delusions of grandeur.
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I've thought along somewhat parallel lines, but in opposite directions.
I’ve wondered for 20 years is TWI happy that I face their Goliaths for them? ...thus relieving them of the hassle?
For a long time, like 15 and 20 years ago, I was pi$$ed they weren’t sending in reinforcements to help me !!
It occurred to me once that there may be WayGB agents who post here under pseudonyms. (DONT look at me!) But soon I realized that the $$$ cost of that was something only the pre1986 ministry could afford.
But as several more years ticked by, I came across several reasons for their silence here, as well as their silence in general, and their general insularity. Some of the possible reasons I arrived at were noble reasons, some ignoble.
I started slowly empathizing with them. Later still, when I met with local leaders with the big changes starting a few years ago, they confirmed some of my hunches.
Contrary to my slow warm-up to TWI people lately, I have ALWAYS empathized with the people here at GreaseSpot, as I do to this day.
How you say? ...as you wipe fresh-spit coffee off your keyboard and monitor.
I had previews of GreaseSpot sentiments years before it started.
I had private previews of a lot of the horror movies that stirred the founding of WayDale and GSC.
I had to produce a mini-version, a "pre-Schoenheit Paper" about 6 years before he did.
I started grappling with the mission of the Research Department in the later 197os, possibly before Charlene did. (BTW, I haven't gotten that point in my reading.)
In July 1987 Ralph D visited SD and did a 2 day meeting, with several meetings per day. I attended Day 2 for several hours. It was almost identical to everything that goes on today here at GreaseSpot, only it was LIVE, no re-takes, no editing, no protection from shoving and fists in heated discussions !!!
I was absolutely sickened when I got my first viewing of the Schoenheit Paper there. Ralph gave me a thick copy. I had heard “all” about it from local loyalist Corps, that its devil spirits would get a reader believing in the Trinity in no time. But at that LIVE GreaseSpot meeting in 1967 I could see that it was almost identical to my in-house twig research on sex in 1980 !!!
That made me as bitter as anyone here !
I was NOT touting the collaterals at all back then. I was an A.V. man and what mattered to me was the PFAL'68 video. I had privately come to the conclusion that VPW went through some kind of downward spiral, or downward spasm after LCM came in.
I had started tuning out VPW a few years earlier, when I heard his voice on an SNT around Dec 1982, and could tell he had a stroke. I was also not happy with him for the Corps, by the time of Ralph's meeting in 1987.
The Corps were a problem for me in the early 80s, but the secrecy and strongarming they did after the 1986 POP was the end of my respect, for what I called by then "Wierwille's Folly."
What I heard there from Ralph sunk my respect for VPW the man, not just his Corps.
For the next 10 years I had some wild adventures. I still thought the 1968 video class video was gold, but that VPW had slipped from his diligence after the filming. I likened it to what happens to some Olympic Gold Winners in the years after reaching their gold pinnacle. I knew that kind of thing happened to Solomon.
During that decade of time, 1987 to 1998, I went up and down on my memories and conversations about VPW. I was often thankful for his ministry that made the class, but thought sometime afterwards he went from best to good, and then much lower. During that 10 years I attended all of John Lynn’s meetings. He came once a year after Ralph, until 1998. That was the time I discovered that I had missed a lot that was in the collaterals.
So, I can empathize with everyone here in their disappointment with VPW and TWI. I just happened to go through it all earlier, and was then miraculously handed the solution in 1998.
I come in peace, and I always did.
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Just to be clear, leadership at HQ are embarrassed by Mike and johniam posting on the internet?
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