I'm pretty much in the mind of thinking that they're working on the site or something, too.
However, I know that with HumanClick http://www.humanclick.com/ there is a whole lot of information given about people when they hit a page that has HumanClick embedded somewhere on the site.
I also know that with message boards (such as GSC) this info can be used to block people from accessing the site.
Is that not possible with a regular website?
And if anybody is wondering...I am in no way saying or implying that twi is doing this with their site. I am merely curious.
Can their computer know if our computer has been to the Greasespot cafe? And then denie access?
Anyone who runs a web server can get the IP addresses of who connects. This could allow them to know what ISP you use, and in some cases a general physical location (such as a city or state.)
However, they can NOT determine who you are if you go to their site. They will only know that someone looked at it, what their IP address is, and what time they went. There's no way to track things back specifically to Greasespotters, unless pawtucket decided to allow them access to his logs, which I'm sure he would never do without a search warrant from the cops.
One other thing though, is that they could see what sites link to them. If you link to it from here, the referrer would show up to them as gscafe.com. They could write a script to block people from here by linking to them from this site, but I doubt anyone in TWI is technical enough to think of doing it. Plus, it helps their google ratings if other sites link to them, so they wouldn't want to block this site.
Here's my quarterly free advice for the Way website. I put it nicely in case it's someone's kid working on it.
Can you peepul say "alt tags"? Google it, check it out, use it. Live it, be the alt tag. Never let it fall by the wayside. Don't just speak the alt, DO the alt.
What's the benefit, ye ask? Take your mouse and place your cursor over my little dancing Calvin guy. GENTLY! He's a sensitive li'l guy.
Hold it still for a sec. See what it says, Way Web Dude/Dudette? "Picture of socks"...!!!! That's not just for everyone who can't figure it out just by looking at it that it's a picture of socks, which might sound whacked but you're in the Way so we won't go there. But think, ponder, consider, the things you could do with that little alt tag thingie.
Like for starters make your site COMPLY with accessibility standards for WEB SITES, ya binkie heads, just like everyone else in the known universe.
Please...listen to me, web designer person....
You have the site sized for an 800 X 600 screen resolution. Good idea. But once you get out of the main page, every page is indented around the top and left hand side. And depending on how large a person sizes their browser window it's not straight and looks off.
Do this: go to the body tag and add this line-
leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"
The page will fill the whole window then or at least look like it. Unless you like framing the whole thing in white which may be the case, but if you're going to do that then make all the pages including the homepage do that. Please? With cherries on top?
Then get back to me via this board. We're just getting started. ;)-->
And don't say I never gave you anything!
(P.S. I know, I know, I'm being sassy with you and that's not so easily entreated is it Way Webbie Person? But hey, this is free and you're getting valuable training so I get to make fun of you in exchange, make you get my coffee, set up my ashtrays, laugh at my jokes and massage my...........ego. :D-->.
Not forever. Just till you graduate....) :P-->
In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row.
They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go.
James Taylor
[This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:11.]
[This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:12.]
You're right. Mints. Cracked in half for easy consumption. Thanks A la. Tissues, too. Never know when I may need to blow my schnozz, figuratively speaking of course. Little cups of coffee. Sippin' glass.
But keep in mind Way Webnad, this stuff doesn't bless me, it blesses you, I "hate" it, I just do it so you can be blessed.
In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row.
They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go.
darn! I was hoping they had been M&A from the internet.
BTW, If I have been in correspondence with you on private topics, please check yours. I've been out of town and I don't want anyone to think I've ignored them.
quote:However, they can NOT determine who you are if you go to their site. They will only know that someone looked at it, what their IP address is, and what time they went. There's no way to track things back specifically to Greasespotters, unless pawtucket decided to allow them access to his logs, which I'm sure he would never do without a search warrant from the cops.
I'd like to clarify this a little. To the best of my knowledge if you are in greasespot, and click the link above to go to theway.org, your browser *will* give TWI's server both your IP address *and* gscafe.com's IP address as the referrer. TWI's server probably ignores the referrer but we don't know. If this is a concern to you, just go into theway.org from google or something.
I really don't want to go into any more detail with this lest TWI uses the information against us.
TWI's site is very amateurish and very poorly configured.
I imported their entire Web Site onto my system (legally) and I cannot find where they are using cookies or web beacons.
From the looks of things this Site was slapped together in Front Page by a complete novice with no sense of structure or organization or an eye for graphical design.
It is doubtful that whoever administers their web site has any clue at all about how to gather stats or information.
Goey
"Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"
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OnionEater
I was just going to post this same thread. I can't get in.
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I was about to ask the same thing. It says:
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Is it something I said? ;-)
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It was an attack of The Adversary
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More likely they've taken the site down for maintenance and set the root directory to not have anonymous access. Try it later.
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They're battening down the hatches on their little world...remember the Yak analogy? Congratulations GSers...another win for the good guys!
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Can their computer know if our computer has been to the Greasespot cafe? And then denie access?
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No, but they can restrict access to fix the site. Don't read into this more than it really is, yet.
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Wouldn't that be any of us who disagree with them?
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Zix,
I'm pretty much in the mind of thinking that they're working on the site or something, too.
However, I know that with HumanClick http://www.humanclick.com/ there is a whole lot of information given about people when they hit a page that has HumanClick embedded somewhere on the site.
I also know that with message boards (such as GSC) this info can be used to block people from accessing the site.
Is that not possible with a regular website?
And if anybody is wondering...I am in no way saying or implying that twi is doing this with their site. I am merely curious.
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Anyone who runs a web server can get the IP addresses of who connects. This could allow them to know what ISP you use, and in some cases a general physical location (such as a city or state.)
However, they can NOT determine who you are if you go to their site. They will only know that someone looked at it, what their IP address is, and what time they went. There's no way to track things back specifically to Greasespotters, unless pawtucket decided to allow them access to his logs, which I'm sure he would never do without a search warrant from the cops.
One other thing though, is that they could see what sites link to them. If you link to it from here, the referrer would show up to them as gscafe.com. They could write a script to block people from here by linking to them from this site, but I doubt anyone in TWI is technical enough to think of doing it. Plus, it helps their google ratings if other sites link to them, so they wouldn't want to block this site.
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www.theway.com is opening for me now.
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It's 5:45 p.m. est and all three links work just fine.
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And the video is there for all to see.
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AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
The video is back...
A day without 'THE' video is like a day without......
'til the next time...
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Here's my quarterly free advice for the Way website. I put it nicely in case it's someone's kid working on it.
Can you peepul say "alt tags"? Google it, check it out, use it. Live it, be the alt tag. Never let it fall by the wayside. Don't just speak the alt, DO the alt.
What's the benefit, ye ask? Take your mouse and place your cursor over my little dancing Calvin guy. GENTLY! He's a sensitive li'l guy.
Hold it still for a sec. See what it says, Way Web Dude/Dudette? "Picture of socks"...!!!! That's not just for everyone who can't figure it out just by looking at it that it's a picture of socks, which might sound whacked but you're in the Way so we won't go there. But think, ponder, consider, the things you could do with that little alt tag thingie.
Like for starters make your site COMPLY with accessibility standards for WEB SITES, ya binkie heads, just like everyone else in the known universe.
Please...listen to me, web designer person....
You have the site sized for an 800 X 600 screen resolution. Good idea. But once you get out of the main page, every page is indented around the top and left hand side. And depending on how large a person sizes their browser window it's not straight and looks off.
Do this: go to the body tag and add this line-
leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"
The page will fill the whole window then or at least look like it. Unless you like framing the whole thing in white which may be the case, but if you're going to do that then make all the pages including the homepage do that. Please? With cherries on top?
Then get back to me via this board. We're just getting started.
;)-->
And don't say I never gave you anything!
(P.S. I know, I know, I'm being sassy with you and that's not so easily entreated is it Way Webbie Person? But hey, this is free and you're getting valuable training so I get to make fun of you in exchange, make you get my coffee, set up my ashtrays, laugh at my jokes and massage my...........ego.
:D-->.
Not forever. Just till you graduate....)
:P-->
In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row.
They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go.
James Taylor
[This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:11.]
[This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:12.]
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Sockster,
You mentioned 'make your coffee', 'set up your ashtray', 'laugh at your jokes' (now that's being cruel), but you forgot... THE MINTS
You are a funny sockster you are, you ole' argyle you!
'til the next time...
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Talkin' to me agin, are ya there Ala?
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(duck!)
You're right. Mints. Cracked in half for easy consumption. Thanks A la. Tissues, too. Never know when I may need to blow my schnozz, figuratively speaking of course. Little cups of coffee. Sippin' glass.
But keep in mind Way Webnad, this stuff doesn't bless me, it blesses you, I "hate" it, I just do it so you can be blessed.
In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row.
They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go.
James Taylor
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darn! I was hoping they had been M&A from the internet.
BTW, If I have been in correspondence with you on private topics, please check yours. I've been out of town and I don't want anyone to think I've ignored them.
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Hmmmm I just typed in www.theway.com (same as always, and got in just fine.
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insurgent HA!
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That would be WAYYYY cool!!!
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I'd like to clarify this a little. To the best of my knowledge if you are in greasespot, and click the link above to go to theway.org, your browser *will* give TWI's server both your IP address *and* gscafe.com's IP address as the referrer. TWI's server probably ignores the referrer but we don't know. If this is a concern to you, just go into theway.org from google or something.
I really don't want to go into any more detail with this lest TWI uses the information against us.
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Jim TY !!
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I always just type in the name into the tool-bar. I don't link to that site.
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Sir Socks,
Whatcha' mean...'Talkin' to ya agin???
Must be the deep freeze I'm living in right now...
But, Socks we both forgot something...
THE CLOVES, WHOLE CLOVES!!!!!!
Man oh man...
--> what were we thinking?
Take that and that and this... ouch, ouch, ouch
'til the next time...
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dmiller
Socks All that good stuff you just shared?? It doesn't seem to work on a Mac.
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I just might buy a PC yet
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TWI's site is very amateurish and very poorly configured.
I imported their entire Web Site onto my system (legally) and I cannot find where they are using cookies or web beacons.
From the looks of things this Site was slapped together in Front Page by a complete novice with no sense of structure or organization or an eye for graphical design.
It is doubtful that whoever administers their web site has any clue at all about how to gather stats or information.
Goey
"Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"
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