You make some good points Roy...Definitely following Wierwille instead of Jesus Christ was a "fundamental error" that should have tipped us off from the gitgo.
I think the mistake that caused the most hurt was the thought we knew the truth and we were special and "set-apart" from you know those other unbelieving believers!
it was a self righteous atitude of holier than tho which included anyone that is not in the way and making the current leader du joir happy.
it was thinking we are more and improved and mightier than the rest of the world.
it was an attitude of being equl with Jesus christ himself but maybe even better because we could speak in toungues whatever it got ill and Im glad it is over
quote: I think the mistake that caused the most hurt was the thought we knew the truth and we were special and "set-apart" from you know those other unbelieving believers!
MJ -- Yup. I agree. I've learned an aweful lot from those "unbelieving believers" in the past 20 years, once I was out of twi.
How many times did we see obvious, glaring, boneheaded errors in TWI doctrine, and, instead of taking somebody to task for it, simply "held it in obeyance" for a later time (that never came).
Just a few of the major flaws in Wierwillian dogma that I caught early on in my tenure (but ignored):
"The church epistles are ALWAYS in the same order in every known text" (they are not)
"The council of Nicea was in France" ( wrong -Duh!)
"The entire Bible fits like a hand in a glove!"
(yeah, uh-huh)
"The greatest of God's works is His Word!" (yeah, yeah, sure, sure)
But we DIDN'T call anybody to task for such crap. We shut off our critical thinking and just accepted.
The rest is history (you'd think more of us would have learned something from it)
In the early years of my involvement, we were frequently "invited" to search for ourselves and see if what they were teaching was correct.
I speak for myself but I don't think I'm alone - in the beginning I did re-read and think about what was taught. Maybe I was just being trained....but at some point I quit being diligent in that detail.
The results of that were that I gradually became lazy in this...and that allowed them to sneak stuff over on me, being so convinced that "they" were right.
All of the above, the overreverencing and near worship of leadership fed into alot of the loss of critical thinking and the attitude of superiority.
I think also it was a huge mistake to separate itself from other Christian groups ( and of course the greater world at large) and become an isolated and insular group.
I'm not going to speak to the spiritual or Biblical issues because I don't consider myself to be much of a spiritual or Biblical person.
On the other hand, my experience in building my own business and being involved in local politics does give me an insight into the matters of money and control of power.
We should have *never* poured our money and time into an organization that gave us *no* control over it's future. Our money went toward Loy's "homo purge". Our money supports Donna in the Corps chalet. Our money cleans Rosie's pool.
What should have been done differently? More money staying at the local level, like Dopp and Hefner wanted. Believers on the BOT placed there by popular vote of contributers. Public documents on the spending habits of BOT and upper staff. Caps on the amount of cash reserves that the ministry could accumulate.
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GrouchoMarxJr
You make some good points Roy...Definitely following Wierwille instead of Jesus Christ was a "fundamental error" that should have tipped us off from the gitgo.
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Hmmmm. Signing that little green card??
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hey year2027 dig the eclispe... the third eye?
satori?
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I think the mistake that caused the most hurt was the thought we knew the truth and we were special and "set-apart" from you know those other unbelieving believers!
it was a self righteous atitude of holier than tho which included anyone that is not in the way and making the current leader du joir happy.
it was thinking we are more and improved and mightier than the rest of the world.
it was an attitude of being equl with Jesus christ himself but maybe even better because we could speak in toungues whatever it got ill and Im glad it is over
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MJ -- Yup. I agree. I've learned an aweful lot from those "unbelieving believers" in the past 20 years, once I was out of twi.
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CoolWaters
Forgetting Jesus is certainly at the top of my list.
Everything else, imo, was a result of that.
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JustThinking
Not sure who to blame for the burritos at the Rock. Ugh! Killer.
Otherwise, I agree with CW.
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Hi All
glad all yall are having fun fellowshiping about the mistakes made
thanks with love Roy
Hi The Song Remains The Same
Glad you like the eclispe I got it from a list of ones PAX set up to use
with love Roy
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George Aar
Biggest mistake?
Turning off the thought process.
How many times did we see obvious, glaring, boneheaded errors in TWI doctrine, and, instead of taking somebody to task for it, simply "held it in obeyance" for a later time (that never came).
Just a few of the major flaws in Wierwillian dogma that I caught early on in my tenure (but ignored):
"The church epistles are ALWAYS in the same order in every known text" (they are not)
"The council of Nicea was in France" ( wrong -Duh!)
"The entire Bible fits like a hand in a glove!"
(yeah, uh-huh)
"The greatest of God's works is His Word!" (yeah, yeah, sure, sure)
But we DIDN'T call anybody to task for such crap. We shut off our critical thinking and just accepted.
The rest is history (you'd think more of us would have learned something from it)
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George Aar
Yahahahhahhahahhh. Yeah his hand in a glove, one those latex ones... drop your pants and...
well ya know what I mean.
"It's either The Word of God from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21 or NOT!!!" VP Wickedville
Something like that. I took that one hook, line, and sinker because it left no margin for error.
It was for me, "The Word, The Word, And nothing but what I say the Word is to you." Or something like that too!
Jeesh mabe I should break out the "Life Lines".
"All aboard The Mystery Train" ... or did the Beatles write that?
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Hey year2027, Dig your thread.
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I agree with George.
In the early years of my involvement, we were frequently "invited" to search for ourselves and see if what they were teaching was correct.
I speak for myself but I don't think I'm alone - in the beginning I did re-read and think about what was taught. Maybe I was just being trained....but at some point I quit being diligent in that detail.
The results of that were that I gradually became lazy in this...and that allowed them to sneak stuff over on me, being so convinced that "they" were right.
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All of the above, the overreverencing and near worship of leadership fed into alot of the loss of critical thinking and the attitude of superiority.
I think also it was a huge mistake to separate itself from other Christian groups ( and of course the greater world at large) and become an isolated and insular group.
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excathedra
biggest mistake ? not knowing i was worthwhile
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CWF
Can't say we, but as for I, I knew better and should have disassociated myself from them far before the FOG. The signs were all over the place.
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I'm not going to speak to the spiritual or Biblical issues because I don't consider myself to be much of a spiritual or Biblical person.
On the other hand, my experience in building my own business and being involved in local politics does give me an insight into the matters of money and control of power.
We should have *never* poured our money and time into an organization that gave us *no* control over it's future. Our money went toward Loy's "homo purge". Our money supports Donna in the Corps chalet. Our money cleans Rosie's pool.
What should have been done differently? More money staying at the local level, like Dopp and Hefner wanted. Believers on the BOT placed there by popular vote of contributers. Public documents on the spending habits of BOT and upper staff. Caps on the amount of cash reserves that the ministry could accumulate.
No more non-profit Enron's or Tyco's
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